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Students at British university campuses in China must swear allegiance to the Chinese Communist Party [CCP], a report has found.

At least 45 universities in the UK have lucrative partnerships with Chinese academic institutions to teach and award British degrees under a scheme called Joint Educational Institutes (JEIs).

The China Strategic Risks Institute (CSRI), a think tank, has analysed policy documents and university publications to reveal “large-scale Chinese Communist Party (CCP) ideological control” over these British overseas outposts.

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The findings raise fresh questions on Chinese influence over British universities and the risks this poses to academic freedom, amid a crisis in the UK government over designating Beijing a threat to national security.

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Students enrolled at the JEI campuses are, in theory, treated the same as home-taught students and subject to the same UK regulatory obligations.

However, thousands of undergraduates at some of the outposts have been required to take part in state-backed ceremonies, during which they are told to serve the “motherland” by pledging their unwavering support to the CCP.

The report claims these activities form part of “indoctrination campaigns”, which are presented as extracurricular activities.

The Xi’an Jiaotong Liverpool University, which was founded nearly 20 years ago, convened nearly 1,000 students for a flag-raising ceremony in 2021 to mark the 100th anniversary of the party’s creation.

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Details of the event were posted in Mandarin on the institution’s website, with images showing students standing behind uniformed guards as they hoist China’s flag. The university’s president, who is also a party secretary, told students in a speech they must have “strong patriotism” and “love their great motherland” and always “resolutely listen to the party and follow the party”.

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In a programme co-organised by the Dundee International Institute of Central South University, hundreds of students took part in a military-style ceremony in 2022 during which they “pledged their allegiance to the party with concrete actions”.

More than 1,000 students, many in soldiers’ uniforms, gathered in a sports arena, using their bodies to form a large CCP hammer and sickle emblem which changed colour.

“Rest assured, the party will make our country strong,” the university’s website said in a press release about the occasion, adding that the entire faculty and students sang the national anthem and saluted.

In 2023, staff and students at Southampton Ocean Engineering Joint Institute, based in Harbin, China, were photographed raising their fists towards the Chinese flag during a trip to a museum in honour of President Xi’s previous visit, according to the report.

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At least 12 employees at the Queen Mary school were identified by the CSRI as having jobs related to CCP work, including seven who were said to be responsible for the “ideological education” and “value guidance” of the students.

The two universities are among several in the UK which have reported significant financial income from their campuses in China, with the University of Nottingham generating £9.55 million in 2023 and Queen Mary University of London generating £16.57 million.

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[–] Juice@midwest.social 5 points 20 hours ago

Isn't that just like regular school? American schools students have to do all sorts of patriotic nationalist hoo ha

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

US schools are headed in a similar direction.

A similar policy is applied when Chinese students are sent abroad. There is strong evidence across countries that Chinese students, before sending to their universities in their destination countries, are forced to a 'loyalty plea".

The central commitment is one of absolute allegiance to the Chinese state, as students, according to several reports like this one,

"shall consciously safeguard the honor of the motherland, (and) obey the guidance and management of embassies (consulates) abroad." This includes reporting to the Chinese embassy or the nearest Chinese consulate within ten days of their arrival in Germany and maintaining "frequent contact."

Human Rights Watch reports that [China’s long reach of repression undermines academic freedom at Australia’s universities](Understand the Fear We Have”):

Threats to and limitations on academic freedom at Australian universities stem from China-related pressures and documented cases of harassment, intimidation, and censorship of students and academics from China, and faculty members who criticize the government or express support for democracy movements. These corrosive dynamics set in motion considerable self-censorship.

Students said the fear of fellow students reporting on them to the Chinese consulate or embassy and the potential impact on loved ones in China led to stress, anxiety, and affected their daily activities. Fear that what they did in Australia could result in Chinese authorities punishing or interrogating their parents back home weighed heavily on the minds of every pro-democracy student interviewed. It was a constant concern that had to be evaluated before decisions were made of what to say, what they could attend, and even with whom they were friends. - [Emphasis mine.]

This year, Harvard’s scandal exposed Chinese students’ loyalty also in the U.S., highlighting that Chinese students act as CCP proxies, monitoring or suppressing dissent on U.S. campuses, as seen in incidents like the disruption of a Uyghur panel at Brandeis or harassment of dissidents.

Several countries (such as Sweden and Germany, as far as I remember) have already cancelled the cooperation with the the China Scholarship Council (CSC) over these and other practices.

You'll find it easy to find more reports across the web.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

I'll be the first to say aloud that a forced pledge to the nation and flag in a school is a fucked up concept, but the whataboutism's in this thread are insane. Equating ~~natural born~~ children in a state funded school singing the national anthem to ~~foreign~~ university students, paying their own way, being gathered in a sports arena to attend a pro-nation pledge of alliegence, complete with military personnel and armed guards, is not an honest comparison.

Both are questionable. The latter is clearly far worse. And more importantly, the former being bad doesn't shield the latter from criticism. China can go fuck itself at LEAST as hard as American-brand nationalism.

Edit: Struck out my mistaken initial misread of OP. Point remains.

[–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 6 points 2 days ago

How else are you supposed to defend your favourite authoritarian government?

[–] Iceman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The report says nothing about foreign students. If the difference is merely one of finansing, it's definitely a fair comparison.

I agree that both are fucked however.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Reading it back over, I did get that fact backwards. Students at UK owned universities that are in China, as opposed to UK students in Chinese universities, so, you're right.

Though the core of what I am saying here remains. They're not the same thing, and both remain fucked.

[–] Pacino@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm a very simple man. I see a media owned by Rupert Murdoch.

I downvote immediately.

For those of you who don't pay attention to history, The Times should have never been purchased by Rupert Murdoch. It was against UK law because he already owned News of the world and The Sun.

But Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher made a secret deal with Murdoch, behind the back of her own government. She allowed him to purchase The Times. In exchange, he promised to support her.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/28/how-margaret-thatcher-and-rupert-murdoch-made-secret-deal

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/mar/17/rupert-murdoch-margaret-thatcher

[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca -2 points 21 hours ago

can you give me examples of news that are critical of china that is not "owned by rupert murdoch"?

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I was forced to stand and pledge allegiance to the flag every week day for four years as a US high school student. Just sayin’.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You weren't obligated to do that. There is a bunch of precedent for this.

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, if there was at that time (I’m talking about around 1990), it certainly didn’t come into play at that school.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Now imagine if insted of the flag and country it was for Republican party and their conservative ideology

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh you mean exactly like what Trump is doing to US colleges by threatening to rescind their funding if they don't swear loyalty to him or whatever?

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Right, imagine he manages to force that nationwide. Pretty grim

[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

I dont have to imagine it. it's happening in china right now lol

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What did they do to force you?

I never did it because I thought it was stupid.

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was regularly detained when I refused to participate. As I stated in an earlier comment, this was a private school that felt entitled to be forceful about things like this. I don’t know if the situation was different at the area public schools at that time. BTW, this was 35 years ago, in case that’s relevant.

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Roughly same time frame, public schools

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Is forced the right word? Maybe. Did they beat me? No. I was certainly compelled to do it and punished whenever I didn’t. I went to a private school that regularly expelled students for things like causing disorder. That didn’t happen to me although I was retained after school day after day when I had enough stamina to resist the brainwashing. This went on for years.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Our loyalty oaths are good and proper. Their obedience pledges are godless and tyrannical

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 days ago

Don't care for mandatory loyalty pledges for state, party or ideology in school myself

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What loyalty oaths do we have?

[–] tootoughtoremember@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago

Absolutely bonkers, given a commandment against idolatry and Jesus' own words that oaths are foolish and come from a bad place.

Like, imagine reading the source material.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cool, that's America, not Britain.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I had to recite the Oath of Allegiance to the Monarch of Canada, King Charles III, when taking on citizenship.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah I remember when I finished university in Australia and they asked us to pledge allegiance to the ruling party in a loyalty oath before anyone could graduate.

Wait.. no i don't because that never happened, and this is an obvious false equivalence between the west and China.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

No person should have to pledge loyalty to the party to graduate. I don't think you could sue for this in China. The party controls everything.

[–] Deadeyegai@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just like all the other students...what you thought that just because it's an imported "Foreign Campus" that it wouldn't be under the watchful eye of the CCP? Don't care cuz $$$$ duhh

Yep. The human race is fucked. Because it chooses to fuck itself without bothering to learn the ramifications of its choices first. By the time they are forced to understand it, it's far too late to change course.

I'm so sick of humans.

[–] zonnewin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

This is true for ALL campuses in China. Joint programs are not excepted.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Uhh what? No one is doing this in the USA. The Republican party is trying to with their fascist bullshit agenda, but we're not there and are fighting it and the resistance is growing daily.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

Uk pladged alligance to Israel too