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Defederation and comment threads (mander.xyz)
submitted 2 years ago by notsofunnycomment@mander.xyz to c/fediverse@lemmy.ml
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I think there are good reasons to not let corporate interests join the space we built to escape them, but I guess every instance is free to (de)federate with whomever they want.

So let's say my instance (mander.xyz) defederates from Meta but another Lemmy instance that meander.xyz federates with (let's say "misguided.ml") does not. What happens when someone from Meta comments on a post from misguided.ml and others from misguided.ml comment on that comment? Will I see the comments on the meta comment, but not the original meta comment itself? Or will I not see the entire thread?

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[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

My guess is the branch where the meta comment starts and all it's children will not arrive at your instance.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

That's correct, any thread starting with a Meta comment will disappear from your perspective.

On the other hand, assuming Meta hasn't defederated mander.xyz, Meta users could still see and comment on posts that you made on misguided.ml. You wouldn't see any of their comments, but users of misguided.ml would be able to.

Federation is a bilateral agreement

[–] greensky@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You will see all comments on "misguided.ml"

[–] notsofunnycomment@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Except the one from Meta? So the comment thread would have an empty spot or something?

[–] kukkurovaca@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There wouldn't be an empty spot, your instance would never know that comment was there to begin with. You would be able to see it if you clicked through to the other instance of course.

[–] notsofunnycomment@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Ok, but I am talking about a nested comment structure right? So the Meta user comments on a post/comment of misguided.ml, and then misguided.ml users comment again on that comment.

If I don't see the Meta comment in the middle, the conversation would be quite weird to me? I would see people respond to something I don't see?

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I believe how it works is the comment from the user on the defederated instance and ALL child comments of it do not show up on your instance. So it’s as if that conversation just stopped after the last person from an instance that you’re federated with commented. You wouldn’t see anything from defederated commenters or the replies to them, even if they are replies from Instances you’re still federated with.

Login to Beehaw and check out a post from a Lemmy.ml community on it, and then look at that same post while logged into Lemmy.world and you should see the differences - because Beehaw defederated from Lemmy.world.

[–] kukkurovaca@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago

Ah, sorry, I misunderstood. Could probably find some examples live examples by looking at any convo with folks from beehaw and lemmy.world or shitjustworks, and viewing that thread from the different instances

[–] greensky@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

I don't think so. It will have all comments including comments from Meta.

[–] chris@im.allmendenetz.de 0 points 2 years ago

to be sure that your posts don't end up on the META Servers you need to post with ACL - Access Control List - but since lemmy does not offer that jet you may have to use an other fedi software with ACL