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We get it. They died. It's tragic but this coverage is unnecessary and gratuitous.
It's tragic
It's probably sad for the people who are connected, but it's not really all that tragic. Some people died doing something extremely risky.
@DerisionConsulting "it's not really all that tragic"
It's actually the classical definition of tragedy - an awful result that comes from the protagonist's hubris
I find the 19yo kid’s death tragic. He was probably coerced into going. Everyone else, I quite agree with you.
Right?! There's innumerable dead adrenaline junkies maimed and killed all the time doing something that has a high mortality rate, by design!
Everyone's just on pins and needles about this particular one because he's among the global oppressor class.
But just like so many self-serving cultural views our oligarchs have pushed on us, a peasant with a death wish is crazy, a wealthy person with a death wish is eccentric.
I mean, I can't really tell you why, but I'm fascinated by this incident, so I'm interested in the stories that come out with new information.
In email messages seen by the BBC, Mr Rush had previously dismissed safety worries from one expert, saying he was "tired of industry players who try to use a safety argument to stop innovation".
Seems as though he thought he was fighting against the stifling of innovation. In reality it seems he truly was unsafe and definitely should have had better oversight.
To be fair, though, it wasn't the safety issues that got him, it was all that water.
To be fair, though, it wasn’t the water that got him, it was all that pressure. Lots of commas
Deregulation WHEEEEEEEEE!!!
Never was any regulation. It operated only in international waters.
Just pointing out that perhaps the larger philosophy of broad deregulation maybe isn't such a great idea
But that's not the case here.
There isn't any regulation of commercial submersibles like there is for ground or air. Anywhere around the world. So the "de" of deregulation is not applicable.
Should there be regulation? Yeah absolutely, if submersibles are going to be a thing. But that's just called regulation.
i think they are trying to say this is a perfect example of where things will head if we continue with deregulating industry as republicans think we should. where your boss can say "fuck safety i wanna make more money and if a few people are killed or injured well thats the cost of doing business."
What I'm hearing is we need a data center on a boat to make Netflix great again
Innovation does not equal cutting corners just to increase your bottom line
Exactly this. The reality is his submersible was dangerously unsafe, it’s a bit of a misconception that it was a ticking time bomb because of fatigue- that is a thing related to metallic (crystalline )structures and stress cycles-as a composite, CF doesn’t have that.
What Cameron was getting at is that with titanium and steel, it’s can be modeled very easily- and because steel has a relatively high tolerance before fatiguenstarts… they literally can engineer around it and make parts that effectively don’t have fatigue (unlike aluminum, where every elastic bend degrades it’s structure.)
The problem with composites is that they are very difficult to model. You degrade the polymer (that is epoxy) and it weakens the hull. You drop the sub on the deck, get a delaminated bit. Whatever, once there’s damage to the structure it’s done for.
CF bikes for example, used in professional bike racing are retired after a crash because there’s no way to examine delaminating off the edge, which makes them extremely dangerous to ride,
The kind of people unwilling to have 3rd party certification to do much as validate your pressure hill is thick enough is unlikely to scrap an entire custom pressure hill because some idiot screwed the monitor into it. (Or dropped it. Or noticed that there was some delam around the hatch or whatever else.)
Yes I saw in another video that monitor stands were attached to the wall somehow. Screws straight into the carbon fiber doesn't sound ideal, although I think they had some sort of internal cage structure, so it probably wasn't that bad.
screwing into cf might be fine if youre putting wider fenders on your car or whatever, but that sounds scary af if youre in a submersible.
If I were building a submersible, I’d have an internal fairing to allow mounting things like that, yes.
But then I’d also have included seats, and used viewport domes rated for the pressure depth…. And have someone not me give the sub a certification- because I recognize that I’m human and sometimes make mistakes.
It looked like a second layer, something with a bunch of tiny holes in it.
Why would anyone in their right mind think that safety precautions are in place to stop innovation?
Oh my God who cares. Why are we expending literally any effort on this. Oh yeah. Cuz they were rich.
It may seem grotesque or insensitive but this may actually be pretty interesting scientifically. I don't think there's been any recorded deaths from a sub imploding at this depth.
And carbon fiber is still a relatively new material. Finding out how it failed might mean learning new ways to make it stronger.
They also need to analyze it to figure out why it failed to see if they can press any charges against the company.
Rich people die all the time, in hospitals. Nobody pays much attention.
The reason an imploding sub is getting attention is that sub implosions don't happen every day. There were no millionaires aboard the Kursk, but everybody was talking about it after it imploded.
Tragedies on private subs are even more rare. When non-millionaire Kim Wall was murdered aboard the Nautilus, it got plenty of attention even though plenty of other people were murdered that day.
I'm still holding out for a miracle. Maybe they're just curled up in one of the corners, all safe and snug.
Yup, no shortage of oxygen, H2O after all
Typical media hype. Figures they'd ignore basic science for a few clicks.
peers inside
Oof, Billionaire dust, don't breath this.
Billionaire Dust! Captured from The Deep! Distilled and Trapped in a Powerful Tincture! Does not contain urine.
I want to know what they mean by presumed remains, I thought for sure they would be vaporized when the implosion happened. Like, is this a bone fragment or something? Surely there’s nothing identifiably human right?
Probably not a lot of examples of a composite pressure vessels imploding with humans inside, so even the expert speculation may be flawed for some unknown reason.
It meat that has gone through a hull implosion.
It could be human, it could be half a can of Spam... Would be hard to tell the difference without a DNA test.
That's been my thought as well. What, exactly, would there be? Are we talking about a whole human body? A fragment like a torso, leg, arm, etc.? My understanding was also that the occupants were vaporized during the implosion.
Bone splinters embedded in something, is all I can imagine staying recognizable.