Yeah, not keeping my breath. Israel doesnt like to provide evidence and when it does are often disproven short after.
this post was submitted on 18 Nov 2023
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Quick, show a picture of an elevator shaft
but what if it's a HAMAS elevator shaft? Checkmate.
It's insane that bombing hospitals is not condemned immediately as a war crime as it is in Ukraine. Its painfully obvious that a different set of rules applies to Israel
Ah yes, the reason people are protesting is because of the hospital raid, not the wanton slaughter of civilians.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
It is now days since Israeli forces entered Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, and what appears to be happening on Friday is that they are continuing their search for evidence of this being a key Hamas command centre.
We have to remember that there is no independent scrutiny inside the hospital; journalists cannot move freely into Gaza, and any who are reporting from the site are working under the aegis of the Israeli military.
The evidence Israel has produced, so far, I do not believe to be convincing in terms of the kind of rhetoric Israelis were using about the set-up at the hospital, which suggested this was a nerve centre for the Hamas operation.
From the beginning of this war on 7 October, when a surprise attack launched by Hamas killed around 1,200 people, mostly Israeli civilians, it has said reaching the hospital is one of its main targets.
Israel's major justification for killing so many people in Gaza - more than 11,500 in more than a month, according to the latest figure from the territory's Hamas-run health ministry - is that Hamas was using them as human shields.
He is also pointing to what he called "strong indications" that hostages had been held there too, after the Israel Defense Forces said the body of 65-year-old Yehudit Weiss, who had been kidnapped from her home in Be'eri near the Gaza boundary, was discovered in a house near Al-Shifa.
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... I'm just curious. How many people here think that there are no tunnels or military resources under the hospital, and Israel is making it all up? If you think that's probably the case, upvote this comment.
edit: Feel free to downvote if you think it's probably not the case. I don't care about the karma, I'm just curious about the poll results.
This poll is not going to be accurate because you have worded it so. Everyone knows there are tunnels there because Israel dug them in particular there before leaving occupation in 2006. The real questions should be if they are connected, serving as a logistics hub, or used for storage of weapons. Even then, that's a completely different question on if it was justified to take the hospital in the way they did as opposed to just bombing it and of the certainty of the intelligence played into the decision making there.
Bro what? Israel digging tunnels in Gaza?
And I don't understand, you're saying it's better to bomb the hospital given it's acting as a military hub? That it's better to bomb it rather than taking it over?
I'm so confused by your comment.
Israel occupied the Gaza strip until 2005. There is certain infrastructure that they built and tunnels under that hospital was one of them. It was not for military purposes but they know it is there. It's important to understand the context behind the news as well as the events themselves.
Um... Sources? First time I hear of them digging tunnels.
But even if they did dig tunnels for non-military purposes in the 2000s, they have good intelligence of it being used as a military storehouse (even if you don't believe their intelligence, which is regarded as one of the best in the world by several nations worldwide, you can hear the same from 7/10 terrorists' testimonies in captivity). And it's proven that Hamas' strategy is digging tunnels for themselves, as in 2014 they used those tunnels in fighting the IDF and for invading bordering villages.
The IDF is the source. That doesn't mean that the rest of the intelligence is not true, tunnels haven't expanded, and that they are not using them for military purposes. It is simply focused on that hospital in particular.
The BBC has already confirmed that the IDF is planting guns in al-Shifa: https://twitter.com/_RichardHall/status/1725498963174752490?t=eRT8uuGerft1G0Hs9mbnjg&s=19
That is not confirmed, it's currently in the "seems" category, which just isn't good enough. Things are not always as they seem, judging books and covers, etc etc etc.
If actually confirmed, this would be devastating evidence, likely enough to change my mind, personally. Jumping straight to that conclusion is premature, though, we'll see. Thanks for sharing it though. I wouldn't put it past anyone, and it is definitely deeply concerning.
The CNN is picking it up too, it seems: CNN analysis: Video suggests IDF might have rearranged weaponry at Al-Shifa prior to news crew visits
Even playing Devil's advocate, it shows a blatant disregard for provenance and calls into question any evidence the IDF provides to journalists.
I would say that any evidence provided by any participant in any war should always be examined with extreme rigor. No exceptions. Definitely wouldn't just trust the IDF or anything. I do apply the same standard to their opposition, however.
The IDF has a pretty clear record of lying out of their teeth. Most recently, they released that video of a "nurse in al-Shifa" that later turned out to be an entirely faked video.