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Facebook Is Being Overrun With Stolen, AI-Generated Images That People Think Are Real (www.404media.co)

submitted 1 year ago by BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Good. Fuck everything about Facebook and their advertising empire. Let it burn.

Hmm. On second thought, I'll fire up A1111 and start making fakes to fuel the fire.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good is shortsighted. It will be here too eventually. Fuck Facebook, but hopefully we don't build a weapon that'll hurt us all, though in fully aware we have and are.

[–] L_Acacia@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is already here, half of the article thumbnails are already AI generated.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep, Lemmy is littered with AI art just like everywhere else and if people notice they sure aren't saying anything.

[–] teichflamme@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I notice and I think it's great

[–] RememberTheApollo@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

From post-truth to post-reality in just a few years. SMH.

[–] Sorgan71@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

its not stolen, its AI generated.

[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's worse than that, the article talks about img2img using AI. so these click farms are ripping real images and using that as the img2img prompt

[+] Sorgan71@lemmy.world -20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So? its not stealing.

[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They are taking an artist work and reproducing it - changed slightly. If you did that to a Disney work (AI or not) would they consider it copyright or fair use?

[–] rifugee@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on what you are using it for.

"The general fair use definition is that fair use is any use of a work that is not done in an effort to profit from the copyrighted work."

Source

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

That's not sufficient alone

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Disney considering it one way or the other doesn't mean anything, legally speaking. It's not so much about "used a reference" -- you can take a movie still-frame and make an oil painting of it and it'll be your work. It's about that how the spammers use AI doesn't have sufficient artistic intent, sweat of the brow, whatever your local standard is, to actually give you copyright over its output, as such it's as if you had simply photocopied the thing. It certainly is possible to use AI in a way that gives you copyright over its output, even with img2img, but those people ain't doing it. It's also possible to photocopy that still-frame in a way that gives you copyright, e.g. if you collage and otherwise transform it in an artistic manner.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

you can take a movie still-frame and make an oil painting of it and it’ll be your work.

Maybe but not usually. This is making a derivative work. Derivative have their own copyright, but permission of the original owner is required to make them. In US terms, it might be fair use, if the painter wants to, say, make an artistic statement about consumer culture. EG Mickey Mouse has shown up in South Park episodes for the purpose of satire. That's fine.

OTOH, if there's nothing deeper behind the painting, then it's just unlicensed merch. EG, Disney has come down on day care centers for using their IP.

Whether the OP describes infringement is doubtful to me. No one owns the right to make pictures of EG people next to wooden dogs. On its face, there is no infringement.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Mickey Mouse and various other Disney stuff is trademarked which is a whole another can of worms.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

OTOH, if there’s nothing deeper behind the painting, then it’s just unlicensed merch. EG, Disney has come down on day care centers for using their IP.

I'm not sure if it affects your larger point, but I suspect the problem with day care centers is not that they're copying a specific work, but that they're using characters that Disney owns.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

There's no difference from s copyright perspective

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

True, I chose a very bad example there and muddied the waters.

Normally, trademarks aren't so bad, relatively speaking. As long as there's no confusion about who is responsible for the product, and there's no defamation, you should be able to use those pretty freely. When "trademark dilution" comes into play, it can get onerous, though.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

Dual copyright is a thing, if your work is not sufficiently transformative (for example if you retain enough substantial original features that it's clearly recognizable) then it can be infringing if the original even if your changes is under your copyright.

[–] Leap@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not stolen, it's 'stolen'.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It is "stollen" and filled with marzipan

[–] teichflamme@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

There's a lot of whiny "artists" on Lemmy lmao

[–] fffact@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Plot twist: comments are AI-generated too

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

What about the news article about the AI-generated comments about AI-generated images? Surely we can’t stop there.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That's way overkill. Just Markov chain it.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean my mom has been fooled by this sort of thing on email chains for over a decade.

A lot of people just want to believe this kind of stuff.

[–] ElectricCattleman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, AI is a new twist here but the concept of misrepresenting images and stories for attention is ageless.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's just agree that everything is fake now. I'm not sure I'm real.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

That is a funny joke fellow human.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

People are stupid. Pics or it didn't happen is gonna have to be replaced.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 points 1 year ago

Welcome to the future.

Bots creating content for the enjoyment of other bots, while advertisers pay for it.

[–] Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago

Reality is dead.

Or maybe it's still alive somewhere, but nobody can find or identify it anymore.

[–] optissima@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmys future if Threads is federated.

[–] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

I mean maybe! Legitimately worrying.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Fake political candidates incoming

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

uh shit gotta get your mom's out of that with mental outlaw reposts

[–] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago

Does the entire west coast of the US run on Facebook too? ‘Cuz that was a big unwelcome surprise when I moved to BC.