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Israel bombed Beirut with a Drone, targeting a Hamas official and killing 4-5 others (www.reuters.com)
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This is a major escalation that could greatly expand the war and drag hezbollah deeper into the war, which was already involved in skirmishes with Israel in Lebanese regions that Israel occupies.

Note: the verbiage of the article is minimizing the focus on Israel, and they spend half the article justifying the attack as "not an attack on Israel" an effort to minimize how much of an escalation this is.

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[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know how fucked up this is when you change the country and you would know your bias.

Lets try:

Israil bombed Syria. Israil bombed Jordan. Israil bombed Egypt. Israil bombed Iraq.

See no one cares..

Isreal bombed Saudi Arabia. Isreal bombed Iran.

Now this might start a war but still not bad.

Isreal bombed Rome. Isreal bombed London. Isreal bombed Washington.

You see now there is feelings attached, so now take the feelings and apply them to a regular citizens of Lebanon.

Now the response of these citzen if they did something will get labeled by your government to be anti-semtisim but in reality it doesn't matter if they were Jew, Christian, or even Muslims Arabs.. the hate when other countries bomb your own is the same..

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You tried 9 times and still couldn't get the name of the country right.

Your points are still fair.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Isnotreal

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The burn isreal

[–] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 year ago

Nothing to do with 'feelings'. Simply implausible because London, Washington, and Rome don't have governments harbouring, supporting or even in league with people literally terrorizing Israel atm.

[–] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 15 points 1 year ago

Awful.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Does Israel have a long term strategy other than "kill them all"? Is there any point where they want to coexist with us?

No need to answer. Studying the history of colonialism and ethnic cleansing in North America and Australia provides us with a clue to what they would do if they could.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I think Israel lives on its people considering Arabs their enemy. It makes them tolerate a lot more from their government that they otherwise wouldn't.

I think they rather suffocate Palestinians slowly rather than end them all at once.

[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If only this were the only type of military action Israel would pursue.

Invasions are pointless when dealing with terrorists, and Israel knows this. That they are capable of successfully assassinating targets but still persist in bombing the shit out of Gaza killing countless civilians shows that their government needs to be tried for war crimes.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If only this were the only type of military action Israel would pursue.

I see what you're saying, but provoking a neighboring country into expanding the war is hardly something to celebrate.

[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be honest I would celebrate a Hamas leader falling out of a window in Qatar too. Terrorists don’t operate in a traditional war theatre, it is what it is.

Lebanon main govt will recognize the game and let it be. Hezbollah will be upset and launch the same rockets they were going to launch anyway.

I vaguely recall there was some other point to touch on regarding Israel govt being atrocious, but my comment was deleted by a mod or admin.

I didn’t notice I was making conversation on a lemmy.ml post, my mistake, take care. Won’t make the same mistake again.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lebanon main govt will recognize the game and let it be. Hezbollah will be upset and launch the same rockets they were going to launch anyway.

This is the optimistic output, and I hope that's what happens. But this is a major escalation from Israel, aiming to provoke hezbollah. It would not be any surprising if Hezbollah escalates back accordingly.

Israel does not gain from this assassination in the way you think. Hamas' effectiveness is not reduced one bit and Israel knows it. Their only goal is to escalate with Hezbollah, and justify expanding their attacks into Lebanon.

I just hope that Hezbollah makes a calculated response that does not give Israel the pretext they're looking for. So far, hezbollah has only attacked Israel in Lebanese territory, not Palestinian. Attacking Israel in Palestine would be a significant escalation but also an appropriate response.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How would Hezbollah attack Israel in Palestine? By marching through Israel all the way to WB or Gaza?

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They don't have to go that far. They can target Israel in occupied Akka (the occupiers call it Acre).

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks, I had never heard of that city.

In 1947, Acre, as part of Mandatory Palestine, had a population of 13,560, of which 10,930 were Muslim and 2,490 were Christian.

Israel's Carmeli forces attacked on May 16 and, after an ultimatum was delivered that, unless the inhabitants surrendered, 'we will destroy you to the last man and utterly,'[48] the town notables signed an instrument of surrender on the night between 17–18 May 1948.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 4 points 1 year ago

Before the 1948 Arab-Israeli War broke out, the Carmeli Brigade's 21 Battalion commander had repeatedly damaged the Al-Kabri aqueduct that furnished Acre with water, and when Arab repairs managed to restore water supply, then resorted to pouring flasks of typhoid and dysentery bacteria into the aqueduct, mas part of a biological warfare programme. At some time in late April or early May 1948, - Jewish forces had cut the town's electricity supply responsible for pumping water - a typhoid epidemic broke out. Israeli officials later credited the facility with which they conquered the town in part to the effects of the demoralization induced by the epidemic.[47]

[–] lntl@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

How is this different than Russia/Ukraine?

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Note: the verbiage of the article is minimizing the focus on Israel, and they spend half the article justifying the attack as "not an attack on Israel" an effort to minimize how much of an escalation this is.

Note: The verbiage of the article is like that because it's Reuters, and is reporting only the known facts without any speculation or hyperbole

OP is most likely more used to tabloid journalism and people screeching their opinions, and so reads articles in a biased mindset

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The article is full of speculation, opinions and commentary instead of merely presenting facts.

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've just reread it, and I still don't see any speculation. They do quote certain sources, but name the sources so you can judge for yourself if they're telling the truth or not. Again, not hyperbole, but direct quotes

If you reject Reuters and Associated Press as sources, you'll end up far more ill-informed, not less, and you'd be incredibly ignorant to dismiss them as biased

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It looks like the article was updated since I last read it, with the headline changed and a lot more information added, so maybe my claim is not true anymore. But I will tell you what bothered me about it initially anyways.

"whoever did it, it must be clear: That this was not an attack on the Lebanese state."

"Whoever did this did a surgical strike against the Hamas leadership," Regev said in the interview.

Those lines are heavily speculative commententary rather than "facts", aiming to downplay how much of an escalation this is. Those lines are found very high up in the 5th paragraph. It's the first commentary after saying that Israel refused to comment, and originally there was much less details presented.

Moreover, the article's headline (now changed) was something along the lines of "deputy Hamas chief killed in Beirut by blast". This verbiage has now been changed to "Israeli drone kills deputy Hamas chief", which is much better. The original is downplaying Israel's role.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

One last comment, pointing out biases in Reuters does not mean I ignore them. Every source is biased one way or another, and I still read them (refer to the very post you're commenting on), albeit with skepticism, carefully scanning for the facts and evidence.

[–] clgoh@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What speculation, opinion or commentary is there in the article?

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I answered someone else here

https://lemmy.ml/comment/7054345

[–] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Maybe this is the beginning of the Great Filter.

[–] mofongo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why does every second comment get deleted by a moderator??

[–] maccentric@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How can you see deleted comments?

[–] mofongo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I use Memmy and I am on a different instance

[–] Actuali@beehaw.org -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With the constant attacks from Lebanon into Israel and Lebanon sheltering hamas and hezbollah terrorists is there any benefit in not escalating?

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With the constant attacks from Lebanon into Israel and Lebanon sheltering hamas and hezbollah terrorists is there any benefit in not escalating?

Lebanon and hezbollah did not attack Israel in occupied Palestine. They have only attacked them in Lebanon territory that Israel occupies, your framing is misinformation and incorrect.