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At least eight people have been diagnosed with measles in an outbreak that started last month in the Philadelphia area. The most recent two cases were confirmed on Monday.

The outbreak began after a child who'd recently spent time in another country was admitted to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP) with an infection, which was subsequently identified as measles. The Philadelphia Department of Public Health considers the case to be "imported" but did not say from where.

The disease then spread to three other people at CHOP, two of whom were already hospitalized there for other reasons.

Two of those infected at the hospital were a parent and child. The child had not been vaccinated and the parent was offered medication usually given to unvaccinated people that can prevent infection after exposure to measles, but refused it, the Philadelphia Inquirer first reported.

Despite quarantine instructions, the child was sent to day care on Dec. 20 and 21, the health department said.

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[–] Jerb322@lemmy.world 137 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Will the family of the child face any consequences? I'd be very angry if my son was infected and they knew all along. Like looking for revenge angry!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 119 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The part where the parent refused medication that can prevent infection is awful too. Can you imagine being so against medicine that you both risk your child's life and risk leaving your child without a parent?

[–] Granite@kbin.social 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

They believe in medicine to some degree if they were already at the hospital.

Edit: like those covidiots who only went in after the horse dewormer failed

[–] mars296@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Yeah I don't understand why they would go to the hospital and then not accept the treatment. For a diagnosis? How can they trust the diagnosis if they don't trust the treatment?

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the case of COVID at least, they went because they were literally drowning in their own mucus and didn’t have a choice. They only started refusing things when they woke up enough to be delusional again.

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[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

At the very least CPS better be involved. I would definitely hope they take your child away if you'd risk your health, the child's health, and the health of other children like that.

[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 12 points 1 year ago

Yup, they'll get to run for Congress, probably.

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[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 119 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The disease then spread to three other people at CHOP, two of whom were already hospitalized there for other reasons.

Two of those infected at the hospital were a parent and child. The child had not been vaccinated and the parent was offered medication usually given to unvaccinated people that can prevent infection after exposure to measles, but refused it, the Philadelphia Inquirer first reported.

Despite quarantine instructions, the child was sent to day care on Dec. 20 and 21, the health department said.v

It's shocking how far backwards we've gone with respect to basic science... When I was a kid, vaccines were a given. Nobody ever batted an eye.

Fuck Andrew Wakefield.

[–] cooljacob204@kbin.social 74 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They should arrest the parents for negligence at this point. If any of the kids die they should get man slaughter charges.

[–] Lavitz@lemmings.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agreed. They should be charged. Adults and unborn fetuses have more rights than children do. A woman can miscarry and get charged with abuse of a corpse, if I drink and drive and kill someone I go to jail but if I choose not to vaccinate my child and the child dies I get a pass?

[–] cooljacob204@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree but these assholes went beyond that and sent their sick kid with measles to daycare when they were explicitly told to quarantine. Like what the absolute fuck. It's beyond words how selfish and disgusting their actions are.

[–] GluWu@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

I don't see how this already doesn't amount to criminal negligence.

[–] Raxiel@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Even if no one dies, anyone financially harmed by their actions, be it the daycare or families of potentially exposed children should be able to sue this moron for their losses. Freedom of choice isn't freedom from consequence

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 107 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sending a child with a highly infectious disease that is as dangerous and potentially deadly as measles into a day care should be held accountable. This is reckless endangerment of other peoples' lives.

[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The parents and the child were unvaccinated and the parents refused medication. I'd hazard a guess that they're on that anti-vax esoteric shit.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hopefully DCFS can investigate them then. They are endangering not just the lives of their own child but others too. I would be livid if I was a parent and these idiots got my kid sick.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Agreed. It would be nice if people weren't so pressured to go to work for money that they could take care of children rather than feeling like you need to abandon them for a job. I'm not saying they did this. But over 3/4 of my sick days last year was to take of my kid. And when I had COVID, I was out and the statutes to pay me were gone.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If any subsequent children die due to this outbreak, charge the parents that sent the sick child to daycare with murder.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

...and apparently did not get the kid vaccinated and refused medication.

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[–] HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Or charge them with reckless endangerment now and tack on manslaughter charges later.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This should just generally be the case with vaccine refusal. If you refuse a vaccine and kill someone, that should be manslaughter

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[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

SSPE will fuck up your brain, you do not want measles spreading, get your vaccine if you're due for it.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Unfortunately my wife cannot get the MMR vaccine. She essentially has to quarantine whenever there is a case in the area.

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Ooof, they got the expensive disease. Measles ruins your immune system, which takes ages to rebuild. In a British study studying religious antivaxxers vs vaccinated children, there was a much higher cost incurred per child for years, lol. They got a lot sicker a lot more often and needed more prescriptions because of what measles did to them.

Measles is crazy infectious too, it's basically like the Flood pathogen from Halo. Getting it in your brain really bumps up chances of dying. Luckily the MMR vaccine gives you lifelong immunity, especially with two shots. So it's mostly just an anti-vaxxer penalty these days. Too bad we almost eliminated it if not for them.

https://youtu.be/y0opgc1WoS4?si=RP7W1uainbdzKc6m

[–] flicker@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I actually had measles as a kid. My parents hadn't gotten me vaccinated when they were supposed to not out of any antivaxx nonsense but regular old neglect.

Lemme tell you. Whoever catches it? Highly unlikely they'll be antivaxx after that. Measles is probably the worst thing that ever happened to me and it's the reason I was the first in line every time I was eligible for a covid vaccine. Me and the old ladies who remembered polio needed absolutely zero convincing.

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

People just don’t care about others anymore.

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[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Can we deport these deplorables yet? They're uncivilized and a burden on the tax payer funded system.

[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Deport to where? Who would even take them?

[–] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Florida, then fence the entire state off and write it off as a total loss

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[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who do these people work for? Their sick day policies bear a lot of the blame.

[–] bluGill@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe, but a lot of people go to work when slightly sick despite their company having a good policy.

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

It is true. You can still hear people on the news saying that we should have just ingnored the original strain of Covid and overrun the hospitals. Who gives a shit if a bunch of old people and immune compromised people died?

However, if you have a jackass working for you, you have to tell them to stay home and not take down the entire department.

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[–] batmaniam@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I know this isn't the point, but I'll never get over that something as big and expensive as world class hospital could be built and they named it "chop". No one said anything?

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[–] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Yeah it sucks the family ignored the quarantine orders, I agree. Maybe they should be held liable for that.

What concerns me more, and what we should be talking about, is that the kid shows up at the hospital and two other patients contact the disease. At the hospital.

Being at a hospital should not be a threat to ones health. This along with other hospital borne illness and the insane amount of preventable deaths from medical negligence should concern all of us.

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Measles is incredibly infectious, it's why we eradicated it in the first place. Plus there are rules to follow in a hospital waiting room specifically designed to avoid that.

But it relies on people actually following rules, and we can assume someone that didn't vaccinate or follow quarantine procedure is not a big fan of following "meaningless" rules. And meaningless to them is any rule they don't understand. Unfortunately they actively try to understand as little as possible so no one can accuse them of being the very scariest word to them right now, "woke".

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[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Waiting rooms are the worst. I'm so glad we finally have the technology to allow us to check in from home and completely avoid waiting rooms.

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[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

It sounds like it wasn't obvious the first child had measles when they were admitted. The initial symptoms don't include the rash. Measles is uncommon here, and it's ludicrously infectious, well above flu or most other similar-appearing diseases.

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/symptoms/signs-symptoms.html

It also sounds like, as soon as they realized, the hospital tried to prevent the spread by giving medication to those exposed. This parent refused it.

[–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago

Being at a hospital should not be a threat to ones health.

Being in a place where sick people are is a threat to your health. Sick people go to the hospital. What do you think the hospital is for?

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I ask that you rethink this direction.

Hospitals, and people who are trying to save lives, should not be held responsible for the negligence of the ignorant few.

They spend a lot of time, money, and training on preventing Hospital Acquired ID, but they can only prevent so much. Sometimes it's due to negligence, but they can't restrain a child in a waiting room, they can't stop 100℅ of spread. Without knowing the facts of the case (which they are surely reviewing), please don't jump to blame.

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