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Luckily i don't have the money for it
Credit cards don’t fail me now!
I also don't have the money for it.... Well shit I've got a batch 1 order time to find $2500 somehow.
If I needed a laptop I'd get a framework, sure it's a bit more expensive at the beginning but you'll probably save in the long run. It's also good to show there's a market for user serviceable tech, hopefully forces big tech's hand a bit.
here is the list of countries & regions they're shipping to
Thank God they don't ship here or I'd have bought it
I’ve placed a pre-order - I expect to be in the market for a laptop this year and considering the specs (especially the 2560x1600 165Hz screen) it’s within a reasonable range of an off the shelf gaming laptop. I keep my hardware for a long time (this will replace an i7-4000 series laptop) so repairability and upgrades matter a lot to me.
If only I had 2000 euros to spare for this beauty...
Great! That will fit on the shelf next to my Framework 13 Ryzen pre-order 😄
At that price I’d honestly just get a MacBook. I know there’s a lot of Apple hate here, but they make phenomenal laptops.
I probably also wouldn’t ever upgrade my laptop, so framework probably isn’t for me anyways.
The point of this machine is to be repairable, not cheap. It allows you to keep the same machine for longer and reduce your e-waste in the long term.
EDIT: and yes, if you're not interested in repairability then it's not really worth it.
Definitely not worth buying if you're not planning on upgrading it in the future. The point of framework is the customizability and future-proofing, otherwise it's pretty expensive compared to similar spec-d laptops.
According to configurator, for 2000$ you get a Linux capable laptop with 32 Gb RAM, 2Tb SAD, and one of the top CPUs on the market. It’s definitely not price that MacBooks compete with this on, as anything comparable starts at 500$ more.
M1 versions do compete on price, but there’s a whole other set of trade offs there.
Enjoy your soldered storage. If it breaks you have to pay out the nose to replace an SSD, the easiest of upgrades/repairs
You can’t boot Windows or Linux natively on a MacBook, so that would be another reason to not go for it (if you care about that).
But yeah, this machine is definitely not for people who don’t want to upgrade or modify their device.
Isn't Asahi Linux native?
It is, but I don’t think it’s developed enough to be considered ready IMO.
It is for different people.
If you’d buy a new laptop, you could upgrade the old one instead
I could, but by the time I need a new laptop (last one I bought was 2017) the chassis and screen end up beat to shit and need to be replaced anyways.
I also just have no use for upgrades in my laptops. They’re always single purpose machines and I replace them when they break, not when they get slow.
I have a desktop that keeps up with modern hardware. Never got the need for the same in my laptop
Great, then I'd have no software to run.
I have been daily driving an apple silicon macbook pro for over a year. Honestly couldn't see myself going back and I only use my PC for gaming now.
Still some small annoyances, but the battery life...
I am glad framework exists though. It would be the top of my list if I needed a windows laptop for sure.
Honestly after my experience with the MacBook Pro 13 2017 I can't take anyone who says that Apple makes phenomenal laptops seriously.
You can't just say that and not explaining why
No Linux on new MacBooks from what I understand.
Linux is available for m1 and newer machines but your point stands.
I used nothing but Apple computers from the early 80's right until around the time that Steve Jobs died. I really liked what they were back then. Snow Leopard was an amazing OS. I've found that the spirit of what I liked about those earlier Apple computers is more present in Linux than in modern Apple computers these days.
I know there's been some success with running Linux on Apple hardware, but even so, I'd favor buying into a positive philosophy of how a business should be run and how products should be made just as much as the quality of the hardware. And in the case of Framework, it doesn't appear they're making remotely bad hardware.
I used nothing but Apple computers from the early 80's right until around the time that Steve Jobs died. I really liked what they were back then. Snow Leopard was an amazing OS. I've found that the spirit of what I liked about those earlier Apple computers is more present in Linux than in modern Apple computers these days.
I know there's been some success with running Linux on Apple hardware, but even so, I'd favor buying into a positive philosophy of how a business should be run and how products should be made just as much as the quality of the hardware. And in the case of Framework, it doesn't appear they're making remotely bad hardware.
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Numpad or no numpad? The choice is yours.
Was this a feature of the previous generation? This is really cool! Framework has settled the numpad debate.
No, it's new
I'm really excited about these. I hope over time, some standard for modular laptops develops and it extends beyond Framework. Kind of like how we have ATX and ITX motherboards, for example. I don't pretend to grasp all of the practical issues with making that happen, but it'd be a promising direction.
I dumped a cup of coffee in my laptop a month ago and was so bummed that it wasn't for sale yet.
I would immediately buy it, if it was 15".
It's a 15" screen that's slightly taller. That's all.
My 16" laptop is smaller than my 15.6" because it has thinner bezels (tbh they were huge on the 15.6 dell)
When are they shipping?
"Q4 2023" so no firm date. They also have "Batches" so if you're in batch 1 vs batch 4 delivery date will be different
Edit: 2023 (not 2024) Y'all are correct - very misleading typo on my part. My bad!
Since no firm date I'm guessing very end of the year? I would think they would have said if it was earlier. Unfortunately I think the person I'm recommending needs a computer before that.
I have to lock in shipped specs potentially 18 months out?? So I'm buying an outdated laptop then?
The orders are currently up to Q1 2024, not Q4. The Q4 orders were for 2023. The 2023 pre-orders sold out in less than 10 hours.
Q4 2023
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