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[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 169 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't understand why companies who commit blatant fraud like this aren't required to disgorge all fraudulently earned money. If someone defrauds banks they get fined based on their earnings in a way that hurts. If someone defrauds consumers for "tens of millions of dollars" they are only fined $16M.

Well, actually I do understand, I just don't like it and don't like what it says about this country's priorities.

[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

By New York state law you are, any "ill gotten gains" must be surrendered. And the fine accumulates interest during any appeals to boot. it's why Trump is getting his nearly half a billion dollar fine. I wish all fraud laws were that way though. I believe most are typically based on common law fraud, and usually there's some kind of flat fine and the the rest is based off provable damages to other parties, rather than the amount of profit.

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Yep. Things don't have to be this way.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 148 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Sounds like avast is malware

[–] expr@programming.dev 19 points 2 years ago

Has been all along.

[–] Lev_Astov@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service you get from a large company, you aren't their customer, you're their product.

[–] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world 119 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

When the antivirus becomes the virus..

[–] diffcalculus@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

🌎🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀

[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] SpeedLimit55@lemmy.world 68 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I haven’t heard anything about Avast in years, didn’t even know it still existed.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] ryan213@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Wait, they're not common anymore? Lol It's what I use. Any suggestions for better ones?

[–] czech@low.faux.moe 63 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Microsoft defender, ublock origin and keep your computer up to date.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (4 children)

And practice Layer-8 security, i.e. don't be an idiot.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago

That's not really a choice you can make. Also idiots don't know they're idiots.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

The whole don't be an idiot thing doesn't work well with most people. Most people just gøøg|€ everything and most likely don't have a clue when they're being sent to fake sites that will give them viruses. And some of them will even see macrohard defender essentially saying "Hey! You Fucked Up!" and ignore it because they surely know better than a computer.

I personally like to think that computer literacy right now is similar to back when people were just starting to push for everyone to be literate. Big difference is phones destroying that effort for computer literacy by oversimplifying everything.

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[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I haven't run anything other than free Windows defender since it was available I believe in Windows 7. Never had a virus or anything malicious. Don't download files that you don't know the source of. Don't click on mystery links. Don't visit insecure websites. And as mentioned, keep your system up to date and you'll be fine.

[–] pensivepangolin@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah people act like it’s so easy to get a virus but if you’re even remotely competent it’s pretty easy to avoid

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

I worked geek squad for years. The vast majority of malware was people downloading free games or free software and then not checking the custom install settings to uncheck the "install McAfee security scanner" or whatever toolbar and redirection it was at the time.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago

Never had a virus or anything malicious.

That you know about.

Don't assume you are fine just because your antivirus doesn't alert you about viruses.

This goes for every AV, not just Defender.

That being said, I am also just using Defender snd it has worked well.

I used to run F-Secure, and I like it, but eh Defender is good enough.

[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But, im running linux….Thats all i do!

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[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago

Defender + common sense usually works as long as youre not using it like a public library.

[–] ElderberryLow@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

Bitdefender and Malwarebytes are good ones and rated well.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oh, that's good now do Microsoft

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[–] CyberDine@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

If you're gonna pay for Antivirus, shout out to ESET NOD32.

They have gotten a bit expensive though. I'm buying a 1 year sub for $10 on Black Friday.

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