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I'm currently playing Diablo IV (and having a blast with it) but finding one small gripe which I only think is going to get worse and probably stop me playing it completely in the long run.

My girlfriend is currently pregnant. This means in 6 months time we'll have a newborn. With this in mind I'm expecting to only be able to grab a few minutes at a time to game and even when I think I'll have longer I may end up jumping off at short notice. This means I'll almost certainly come to rely on games which I can pause. Unfortunately this isn't possible with Diablo IV since it requires an always online connection even though I'm essentially playing it as a single player game.

What are other people's thoughts?

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[–] Zebov@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Absolutely detest them. I still consistently play old games because they're a blast and make me remember when I was a kid. That won't happen for my kids with their games, as the servers will be long gone and close to zero companies are going to spend more time updating the game to not need a server. I'm an old man yelling at my lawn, but games went from trying to entertain to trying to suck every cent they can out of you.

One of my biggest enjoyments is hacking games up as well. You can learn about coding (set ammo to -1 - is it unlimited, 0, or game crashing). Sometimes it's fun to be a god after a stressful day. Sometimes my kids play with me and I don't want to have to tell them no, worry about them dying every couple seconds and getting frustrated, or having to drop it altogether.

I just want to buy a damn game and play it how it entertains me the most - not have to deal with server errors, not have to deal with 12 year olds screaming, not have to deal with people who have far more time than I do being 1000x better.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One of my biggest enjoyments is hacking games up as well. You can learn about coding (set ammo to -1 - is it unlimited, 0, or game crashing).

This is a big problem for electrical engineers too... The current/next generation won't be able to open things up and actually see how things work... They'll be too dense to make sense of anything.

[–] Zebov@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So growing up my uncle taught me all about computers. We built them together (early 90s, so DOS days - not even MS-DOS), built the drivers together, etc. Ended up being a pretty significant hobby for me even now.

Going to college, I thought that since tons of my generation were going into computers, we'd flood the market, pay would crash, and every subsequent generation would have tons of people too, so companies would hire the young college kids.

Now, I realize I screwed up. People older than me have no idea about computers. People younger than me have no idea about computers. They use them all the time, but almost have even less understanding of how they actually function than older people. My guess is that older generations had to make everything work, so they have a bit of knowledge to use to figure out new things. Younger generations have had everything catered to them, so they haven't ever had to figure a single thing out. If it doesn't make perfect sense to them immediately, they leave.

Just yesterday I couldn't figure out how to find a profile I followed on Instagram. There was a fresh out of college kid I work with that kind of chuckled and made a (good natured, but naively insulting) remark that basically insinuated I was too old to get tech. I couldn't take it, so I told her that I was actually using the first phone I hadn't put a custom OS on and how a couple Xmas' ago, I had built an unRAID server because I was sick of my computer bogging down with all the extra stuff I had it do. They hadn't even heard of a command line before.

So long winded rambling aside, it makes me sad that no one knows, or even wants to know, how things work anymore. They seem to want it served to them and the slightest amount of work will make them move on. Every generation says the kids are horrible, etc, so I'm hoping it's just that and we'll still have a generation of scientists and engineers.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 points 2 years ago

Oh yeah... It's not even close.

"You don't understand tech" as they show you how the UI of a very particular website works... As if that's an understanding of switching, routing, networking, sysadmin, virtualization, Operating systems, apache(nginx or alternatives...), php (or similar), html, databases... etc... The list is massive... but yes sweet child! I don't understand technology! Meanwhile that list of technologies needed to make that specific UI "Technology" work is black boxes to them.

It's very odd... I might have shitty memory as a 30+year old now... but I really don't recall being that obtuse about stuff when I was younger.

[–] tyler@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

In the case of Diablo IV, I really think it needs to do more to earn its always online status. I’m hoping that future updates and things will bring more MMO-like features as I think it would be a perfect fit

[–] narc0tic_bird@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In case of Diablo IV in my opinion Blizzard has a good track record of keeping game servers online for years and years.

That being said, the game does have some weird server hopping mechanic that you can't turn off, meaning it seems to switch servers while you're playing, which isn't always as seamless as you'd hope it would be. Also, at least for me, it sometimes selects servers with >100ms latency, which is quite noticeable of course.

[–] Parellius@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Agreed. If I'm honest in this case my concern isn't necessarily that my access will be restricted at some point (or even the very rare dips when it switches servers on entering or leaving an area). It's more around the fact I'm playing the game effectively in single player and unfortunately that's likely to have shelf life due to personal circumstances.

[–] Anabriated@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ironically I think GTAV did a pretty decent job of this - you can pause at any time during the single player, however I don't remember if it requires a connection to play single player mode.

Imo if a game has a single player mode, being online for it should never be a requirement.

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don’t remember if it requires a connection to play single player mode.

It doesn't!

[–] Anabriated@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago
[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 2 points 2 years ago

I don't buy always online games. Period.

[–] Bretzel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Very bad idea and I don't understand why it is becoming the norm. Let's say you want to play again Diablo 4 in a few years (probably because you will be taking care of your kid) but all the player base has disappeared. If Blizzard cuts the servers to save some money, you will not be able to play the game on an official instance, even if it is only single player. Let's say the servers won't shut down down, another issue remains. Users who want to play in public areas or when travelling won't be able to launch the game (rip steam deck users).

[–] Captain_Pieces@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

Personally it's never effected me but it feels like a really dumb decision made by ignorant suits. The fact that pirates get a better product than paying customers is pretty sad.

[–] crisinho@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago

I try to avoid games with always online as much as possible but sometimes you don't have choice. If you want to play Diablo IV there's not much else you could do. But at least Diablo has some form of multiplayer. If you have a solely single player experience with always online, it's just bullshit. The DRM is only punishing players that pay for the game. If you insist to implement this kind of DRM then please go ahead but then you also have to run the servers forever. If you don't then why should I buy your game?

[–] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

So I have a very specific dog in this fight. I am currently working on an RTS game for the recoil engine. One of my big requirements is the ability for direct hosting without the need of a central server. My biggest argument for this is the fact that if the server ever goes down or I get hit by a truck or anything like that, people can still directly host games.

Also I don't think lan parties should require a trip to a third party server just in order to have games with each other. I feel sometimes like I'm the only person who remembers back in the old days when we had giant lan parties and in a lot of cases there wasn't even really much in the way of internet access to them.

In my personal opinion, I feel like games as a service have done end users a disservice. There are so many games that I would love to go back and play but I can't because the servers don't exist or the developers made it so difficult to host your own servers that you need to jump through a million modding hoops just to make it so that you can actually play a game online with others.

What is really bad though is single player games that require an online connection. Witafits?

[–] maltasoron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

Concerning gaming with a newborn, you should also look for games that you can play with one hand, so you can hold the baby with the other. Europa Universalis 4 is a great game if you've got a kid who will only fall sleep while being held.

[–] Nyxaion@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

I almost exclusively play single-player games. I'm not sure I own one that is always online, since I pretty much always have WiFi on and wouldn't notice the difference, but I don't see why any of my games would have to be always online.

[–] Poopfeast420@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

Doesn't matter to me one way or another, and it doesn't affect my purchasing decisions.

[–] Souvlaki@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

It has no place in single player games and turns me off from playing them. There's no real reason they exist other than removing the ability to use cheats (which should be allowed in single players games imo) to obtain items or boosts that are only available on their cash shop. It also ties in to the Game As a Service model which i've come to detest; usually because they have a constant stream of updates that tries to monopolize your free time, whereas i am the kind of player that can say "ok this is done".

Games that offer multiplayer in addition to single player, such as D4, should allow you to have a single player save that's offline, can be paused and anything goes.

[–] theAndrewJeff@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I don’t love it, but I’ve found that it’s been less intrusive than I thought. Generally only feel it when the internet goes out. That said, I’ve got fairly good fiber internet, so I’m a bit privileged in this regard. We used to have absolutely horrendous rural internet and it sucked.

[–] Dezi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I started playing D4 two days ago and constantly try to pause the game when I need to give something else attention. It should also be easy to do when you’re alone in a dungeon. There are games that are online but let you pause when you’re alone (though I can’t remember which game I am thinking of right now)

[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

My firewall is configured to block all programs by default. If a game refuses to open or function without internet and I can't find any workarounds it gets angry looks from me and I let it through. I get anxious when playing anything multiplayer so doing so saves me from having to interact with people if I accidentally trigger a multiplayer event or something. Also generally makes games launch faster.

[–] yokonzo@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is there an offline crack yet? I would have assumed piratws would have for sure gotten that done

[–] OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

D3 still doesn't have an offline crack to my knowledge because the crack isn't going to be simple. In most games, a DRM crack is typically as simple as editing a single instruction to jump over whatever code is trying to call the DRM feature.

But D3 and D4 are different. Essentially, a lot of game logic just isn't available to the client and stored on the server, so any hack will need to replace that. Console versions of D3 actually do have that code available, but now it's a non-trivial matter of porting that code back to the PC...

This will probably never happen unless the source code gets leaked.

I just can't justify purchasing a game where one day someone is going to flip a switch and permanently remove my ability to play it. I'm still playing catch up with games from the 1980s.

[–] resurrect@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would hope that in case of D3 they would patch offline mode to it and after that shut down the servers.

[–] OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

If they do that then I'll consider getting the game. But I wouldn't hold by breath. If they're wanting to shut down the server then they're probably not going to want to keep hosting a server for the patch either.

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