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I ran across that magazine recently and every post is transphobic af. Does that fit within kbin.social's code of conduct?

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[โ€“] Erikatharsis@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I tried to report this magazine using the "contact" page a while back as it violates the kbin.social terms of service, but I guess as long as it's only one nutjob posting and all the posts are getting disliked, it isn't really a priority to remove.

[โ€“] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The magazine's rule #1: NO BIGOTRY omfg I can't ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ

[โ€“] 10A@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (56 children)

I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall fight to the death to defend your right to say it.

When you ban people, you tell them to go form an echo chamber where they'll flourish.

A more intelligent approach is to imitate Daryl Davis, who has convinced hundreds of KKK members to leave the KKK, simply by respectfully talking with them.

You might actually learn a thing or two in the process.

[โ€“] Erikatharsis@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

For every Daryl Davis who can successfully talk down 100 Klansmen, you'll find 100 Black people begging for their lives trying to reason with the Klan in their last moments. For every thought of "I can fix them!" that you may have, you have to weigh that against how many more people you'll need to fix if you platform their ideas and treat them as something worth "respectfully debating".

Convincing people to leave hate groups is a great thing to do, but if respectful debate were effective on the large scale, and we have no shortage of people respectfully arguing that hate is a bad thing, why is the far right a bigger threat now than it was ten years ago? Do not tolerate the intolerant, do not debate the undebatable, do not respect the unrespectable.

[โ€“] 10A@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The "far right" is growing because the left keeps moving further left, and normal people realize they're now considered conservative.

If you want an echo chamber, go on and kick me out. You reap what you sow.

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[โ€“] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, fascists (which TERFs are) should not be allowed to fester here.

[โ€“] danhakimi@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This article is really not convincing.

like, fuck terfs, fuck the anti-trans movement, but the connection between the anti-trans movement and fascism is framed in this suuuuper abstract way that no meaningful definition of fascism would allow. It kind of just makes fascism sound like "statism."

There are plenty of terfs (again, fuck terfs) who are not calling for government action, but trying to exclude trans women from feminist spaces on non-governmental levels, arguing for a limiting social or academic definition of feminism or of a woman and holding exclusionary events. Fascism is an incorrect label for that behavior.

Furthermore, to call terfs fascists implies that they are generally for other things fascists are for, like a command economy, which I don't think is common.

And to be clear, there is an overlap between terfs and fascists, and an even bigger overlap between anti-trans people in general and fascists. We all know the Nazis fucked up a lot of good gender research, but they were never pretending to be feminists.

[โ€“] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] danhakimi@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

... did you link to the wrong article by mistake? that article doesn't really have anything to do with fascism, except insofar as most fascists also happen to be racists.

[โ€“] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I could link articles all day but I have better things to do than entertain (presumably) a cis guy while he plays devils advocate about the people who want my friends thrown in camps not being fascists.

[โ€“] danhakimi@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that's literally the first article you linked to. Do you have a point at all? You can link to articles all day, but only two of them, and only one that argues for your point at all, which I've already addressed?

I'm not advocating for terfs or fascists, they're both villains, but to say they're the same is like saying the KKK and the muslim brotherhood are the same. Just because they're both evil and there are some common threads between their ideas doesn't mean they're the same. I think we should learn how to talk about the terrible groups out there instead of just equating all of them and dancing around our own ignorance. I'm not advocating them, I'm advocating against them as strongly as I can, and you're promoting ignorance instead of responding to the one damn point I've made.

[โ€“] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (11 children)

that's literally the first article you linked to.

Yeah I thought maybe you would read it this time.

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