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LoglineA distress call from Lt. Noonien-Singh compels Spock to disobey orders and take the USS Enterprise and its crew into disputed space, risking renewed hostilities with the Klingons in a bid to aid their shipmate.

Written by Henry Alonso Myers & Akiva Goldsman

Directed by Chris Fisher


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[–] kallisti@startrek.website 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

So, bit of a mixed bag. I enjoyed Spock smashing bloodwine, and the general idea of the plot, decent Klingons etc. I did not enjoy unexplained spacewar drugs, feels like a very non-Star Trek thing.

That being said, I really wish they would stop harping the "do the thing do the thing" angle every time anyone sits in the Captain's chair. It's been in every show now and it's just such a tired and stale joke that it's moved over time from being funny, to tiring, to outright annoying.

[–] abba2566@startrek.website 1 points 2 years ago

+1 for the complaint on the 'do the thing' comment. I feel like it's because engage/make it so have become somewhat of a meme from Picard in TNG and they're looking to replicate that.

But the idea every captain has their thing is one seemingly from the new Treks. In the past series, engage is used frequently by Kirk, Janeway and Sisko. (Kirk also frequently uses warp speed Mr sulu, ahead warp factor 1, take her out, first star to the left and straight on till morning etc.) They've been really pushing 'let's fly' from Discovery, but it's a terrible line and trying to force it just makes it cringy. I wish they'd used that time to expand the stealing the Enterprise plot a little more.

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[–] magiccupcake@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Anybody else feel like the space battle was trying to mimic the Expanse style?

Unfortunately didnt seem to work as well. The Expanse puts a lot of detail and thought into combat, and the setting seems more fit for it somehow.

[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

It because the Expanse, mostly, works with real physics when they fight. Trek has never, either on screen or in canon, needed to worry about that as they have things like inertial dampeners and structural integrity fields.

[–] triktrek@startrek.website 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Actually the entire having to jump into space without a space suit was what reminded me of The Expanse more.

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[–] Projectionist@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can we talk about that weird camera roll during the M’Benga / Chapel fight scene? Usually thats done when gravity is changing, but here the camera flipped, they went through a hatch to a lower level, then the camera rolled over again. What was that all about?

[–] Hypersapien@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I noticed that too, and I have no idea. It's not like they were even in spave where gravity could be turned off.

[–] arod48@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So we're not going to talk about the drugs that supposedly give you the strength to beat teams of Klingons and have no side effects?

[–] JWBananas@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Forget the Space PCP. Where did they get the training?

I suppose on that moon where it rained blood?

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There was heavy implication that M'Benga at least was deep in the shit during the war, and Chapel was also seemingly a veteran. Maybe hand to hand training was standard for facing off against Klingons.

[–] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I seem to recall from S1 that Chapel was more sneaky and preferred using hyposprays to incapacitate someone rather than brute force. I don't think we got any indication before this that she's had any combat experience at all.

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[–] FormerGameDev@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think this episode was fine. Glad to have it back, and hoping we don't have too many more breaks between shows again. :D

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[–] TheWorldSpins@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not bad, but felt very Discovery in tone and aesthetic. I'm hoping future episodes match season 1's vibe.

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[–] MagikarpeDiem@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I understand if I get a slew of downvotes, but I thought that episode was pretty bad. The pacing was weird and many of the sequences involving the mining planet felt poorly written (what's with the Witcher potion?). I feel like I'm the only person not into the whole Spock/Chapel thing, so seeing that pushed harder was cringe for me.

[–] Hogger86@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Don't forget the money hungry selfish plotters suddenly on a suicide mission

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[–] Razzleberry@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That space jump sequence was the best part of the episode. I felt that.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I kind of wished they had made more of an effort to wrap their faces and hands first, just to drive home the peril they were in.

I guess I just have to accept that in this version of Star Trek, science is magic, and so they didn't worry about the possibility they might survive but be horribly disfigured by frostbite. I have to remind myself that this is a franchise where people can change their appearance into a completely different species and then revert back without any apparent scarring.

[–] LibraryLass@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

in this version of Star Trek, science is magic

Science is magic in every version of Star Trek. TOS has Mind Melds and Greek Gods. Throughout the TNG era is the implication that evolution has a will of its own that can't (or mustn't) be subverted. DS9's main character eventually learns he's a demigod.

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[–] Tremorlok@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Did anyone else giggle uncontrollably at “we must steal the Enterprise”?

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[–] RogueRedshirt@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I love the new engineer, but she sort of disappeared after Enterprise left space dock and didn't show back up until the conclusion. I figured a thrill seeker like her would have kept busy?

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[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Perhaps M’Benga has a stash of the serum Bones will later give Kirk so he can survive his fight with Spock in TOS Amok Time.

[–] emmanuel@startrek.website 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't think it's the same serum, in Amok Time the serum is used to make Kirk fake his death, not win the fight.

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[–] BartV@mastodon.social 1 points 2 years ago

@StillPaisleyCat that serum was a total ‘wait, what just happened here?’ for me..

[–] Navi@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Enjoyed pretty much everything in this episode except the magic super steroids. The sequence went on for so long.. I assumed that I had forgotten something from last series because there’s no way they would have had this to hand the whole time and never thought to use it during any one of the many life and death emergencies?

That aside. Loved the rest of the episode and looking forward to where things go from here (plus really really happy to have weekly Trek again!)

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[–] cadamar@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I really enjoyed this one. It felt fun. Who doesn't love a good "steal the Enterprise" plot?

They're clearly gonna push the Chapel/Spock ship. I'm broadly fine with this but I do wonder how they will reconcile it with canon Spock/Chapel (or if they'll just abandon it - which I'm also fine with).

I don't really have an issue with the green super drug. I hope we get to hear more about their time together during the Klingon War. Guessing we will based on this. But it was a cool sequence and I'm good with it.

I'm curious if that fake Federation ship was a variant of the Crossfield or just something cobbled together by those folks. I imagine we'll get some clarification from the design people at some point.

Loving the current Klingon design. I didn't really mind the Disco re-imagining but this feels like a good compromise. And that Spock made peace over bloodwine. And ended up with a hangover.

And, for me, I'm fine with The Joke. I like Ortegas' and the background that some Captain says "Zoom!" Spock's left a bit to be desired, but I laughed.

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[–] astroturds@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

God damn I enjoyed the shit out of that!

At first glance I was unsure about the new engineer but by the end of her first scene I loved her. I wish she was featured a bit more but I'm sure we will see more soon.

Spock is the man!

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Carol Kane seems like she's being set up as the central mystery or resolution of this season. Too many little nods that she is more than she seems, even when what she seems is already pretty fantastical.

Have we heard of the Lanthanites before? The concept of an entire race of "nearly immortal" aliens living on earth undetected until the 22nd century (starting when??) was a pretty serious infodump. I wonder if that's just worldbuilding or if it'll prove important later on.

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