DaseinPickle

Yea, it’s still a work in progress for sure. And it seems that their focus is mainly to get the architecture stable and secure rather than focusing on end user experience. But personally I’m impressed with the dedication to make a secure and private messenger.

SimpleXchat doesn’t seem to get a lot of love. Open source, European, encrypted and very privacy focused.

Det er vildt at se hvor meget folk vil finde sig i. Der er jo alternativer.

Because you are making the tired old authoritarian argument that democracy is slow, and therefore it’s better to create hierarchical organisations with some benevolent dictators. And I believe that power always corrupts so it’s not a good solution. You believe some different so we will never agree.

Der er ingen skam i at blive klogere. Det er godt at digitaliseringsnaiviteten er på retræte.

True. Take a look at SimplexChat. It has a distributed architecture and allow people to host their own servers. Might be a good backup, if Signal should ever go down.

You don’t have to have everybody worry about owner duty. Cooperatives doesn’t have to be tiny organisations. You can have full time employees and so on: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_cooperative_movement

Probably. But it shouldn’t matter. Their architecture assume the server is hostile.

You’ll never be able to compete with mega corps that can scale and sell your data, in order to provide a service for free. Price will never be the selling point of a more democratic web.

Why would it have to be cheaper? I’m not going to make a list. It’s a normal form of organisation in my country. For example my whole apartment complex is owned by the people who live there. We vote on what we want to pay in rent and how we want to spent the money.

And the same can be done with data coops. Here is one: https://data.coop/

There are others, with other values.

In my country a coop is a legal entity and it does give you actual ownership. And we do have data coops where people pay, and vote on how services should be developed.

Non profit coops. It need to be people owned.