mannycalavera

Make the accountants personally liable for defrauding the state.

Are you suggesting that accountants are deliberately doing something illegal? Or is it more the case that the state has deliberately shitty loop hole hiding laws?

You literally don't adopt Linux unless you're a contrarian.... literally. So in a self selecting audience of contrarians is it any surprise that some speak out rabidly against themselves?

That's a cool website. Bookmarked!

Trickle down economics! BINGO!

I was expecting this to be published in the middle eastern eye or something like that. The independent? Wowsers!

Ooo never seen these before. They look great.

Pass that saving down to drinkers and do decent food and then maybe I can get on board. Creeping £7+ for a pint is hard to swallow (no pun intended) on top of everything else.

That pub in the article picture is absolutely gorgeous by the way.

You're equating the council bigwigs fiddling with finances for technicality reasons with people who are only trying to advocate for fair financial compensation

No, you've misunderstood completely what I'm saying and are making assumptions. Are you able to point to where I am equating the two sides like you claim?

Would it help you if I reiterated the following:

• The council's position is not automatically in the right simply because they're the council.
• The union's position is not automatically in the right simply because they're the unions.
• The people of Birmingham are living a sanitary and health nightmare right now.
• With the deadlock from both sides nobody is winning or happy.

So is Rayner's stance unreasonable given this? And it's all right if the answer is no but I'd like to understand why. That's my position. Not something you've dreamt up.

Me trying to see both sides of a complex matter.

Great well done, so everyone's wrong and you've "both sided" this.

FML. 🥲

I'm melting.... meeeeelting! Oh what a world!

I don't disagree that austerity hasn't been extremely difficult for people. However how does that explain other cities not facing the same issues Birmingham is facing? Manchester doesn't have the same waste problem. Newcastle doesn't have the same problem. Neither does Liverpool. Neither does Edinburgh. Neither does Cardiff. Have these places not suffered austerity? What is unique about Birmingham that it can't clean it's streets? And is Rayner not right in pointing out that, even if there are differences regionally, it can't be this difficult to come to an agreement to keep your city clean.

Yeah true. But you can apply that logic the other way around too. There's massive public inconvenience and health issues living in a city that doesn't have waste services functioning so the Unions are using that to force the government's hand. Give us what we want or the city suffers.

I don't think either approach is working, do you?