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Obligatory, fuck Spez
Can someone explain like I’m 5 how being against Nazis and capitalism is authoritarian bootlicking? Seems like the exact opposite.
Authoritarianism isn't exclusive to capitalism. You can have a communist country that is Authoritarian, like China or Russia. But they will fervently deny that China and Russia are Authoritarian, the various human rights abuses and lack of freedom at their feet in order to promote Authoritarian style Communism
They are against Nazis, but they apply that label to just about everyone who is against their views and/or what China/Russia pushes. They will say that Ukraine is completely run by Nazis for example, a propaganda line right out of Moscow.
Ukrainian leadership declared themselves Nazis. They’ve recently spent millions erecting monuments of famous Nazis, and are naming streets after them. Their soldiers are literally covered in Nazi symbols.
When someone tells you themselves that they’re a Nazi, why do you think your beliefs overrule their own self-image?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/03/08/wdtz-m08.html
https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-leader-slams-kyiv-for-naming-streets-after-nazi-collaborators
Yeaaa ookkk tankie, I'm sure those websites aren't biased and spreading propaganda/misinformation at all LMAO
you've been tagged
So you’re denying Ukraine is doing this? Or am I a tankie for pointing it out? All it takes to be a tankie is pointing out someone is calling themself a Nazi?
You’ve taken this so far, you’re entering into Nazi sympathizer/collaborator territory.
The US Congress had to lift a ban on arming Nazis in order to send arms to Ukraine. Now tell me how it’s somehow my fault for pointing that out.
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-us-weapons-azov-a3a555670bedeae2022900621d79aba7
Do you guys read the sources you post or just the headlines?
Yes, I am aware AP has been whitewashing for fascists for a while. But Congress is not bound by what Moscow believes. Congress had to lift the ban on arming Nazis to send Ukraine weapons, because it’s also what the US believes.
You know who also believes Ukraine is currently governed by a Nazi regime? The soldiers covering their uniforms in Nazis patches, the politicians naming streets after Nazis, and the Ukrainians openly declaring ‘I am a Nazi.’
Lil Ruski is mad they're losing. ://
Running low on orcs, perhaps?
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1daqi53/the_most_graphicclearenemy_visible_combat_footage/
Do you know who never called themselves nazis btw? The actual nazis. But hey, you show me that literal open declaration of "I am a Nazi" that you seem to be claiming exists.
But you won't. Because it doesn't. And you're a sad angry loser who's angry he has to defend Putler's actions and live in a shithole.
What you will do is ignore all the points, lick some boots, then post some other inane list of non-related articles that tangentially approach the subject, pretend like they say what you claim when they literally say the opposite, then fuck right off. It's like all the smart trolls in Russia were recruited to the war and are now fertilising Ukrainian soil. Well, guess that's a natural selection of sorts as well. Devolution, if you will.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/217108-ukrainian-soldiers-seen-wearing-gear-displaying-nazi-symbols/
Now tell me how this is my fault. Did I make these soldiers do this? Did I personally force Ukrainian politicians to spend millions from the budget on Nazi monuments?
I’m simply anti-Nazi. The insistence that anyone opposing Nazis is pro-Russia is only coming from you in this conversation. Says a lot about your agenda.
That link doesn't even open, but I'm pretty sure "wearing gear" is different from "open proclamation", is it not? Is your ruski-translator on the fritz?
(edit it does open on mobile, some of my privacy and antiad settings prolly blocked it on pc, garbo us site. So just more shit about azov battallion. Wow. How exactly does one or two insane guys wearing some offensive tats in an insane battallion translate to "Ukraine political leadership openly proclaim they're nazis"?)
I asked for you to show me evidence of these Ukrainian officials PUBLICLY, OPENLY, PROCLAIMING THEY WANT TO ENFORCE NAZI IDEOLOGIES, because that is what you claim.
You're not anti-nazi. You're pro-Russian, you're pro-Putler. He's a dictator, a fascist, a huge cumstain. And you perpetuate his propaganda by claiming that his shitty and failing illegal attack on a sovereign nation is some heroic bullshit he's pulling to "save the world from nazism".
Honestly, like, we can't have a conversation. Your rhetoric is directly from the 70's CCCP playbook and it's just sooooo shite. You don't see it, because you don't have the capacity to recognize proper rhetoric.
So to make clear, even if we assumed your schizophrenic bullshit is true, you say you're not pro-Russian only "anti-nazi" (dogwhistle for people licking Putler's dick and trying to say Ukraine is in the wrong to defend itself) you recognise that Russia broke international law by invading Ukraine so Russia needs to be punished for that and Putler needs to be brought to justice for the crimes against humanity they have committed in Ukraine? You accept and would personally bring Putler's pathetic ass to justice if you could? You are anti-fascist, aren't you?
You went from "Ukraine president openly vows he's a nazi and I have video to prove it!" to "Here's a link that doesn't work that doesn't even remotely talk about what we were talking about, which is someone OPENLY PROCLAIMING something instead of having a symbol that Russia pretends is nazi.
You'd probably think I'm a Nazi as well because of what's on my beret huh? Unfortunately for you, it just means I'm trained to lead people while fighting Russians, not that I'm a Nazi. (im gonna edit to add the photo from mobile)
I believe Elon Musk throwing a Nazi salute is his open declaration that he is a Nazi. I believe Ukrainian politicians erecting monuments of Nazis is an open declaration that they are Nazis. I believe you proudly wearing Nazi symbols on your uniform is an open declaration that you are a Nazi.
Despite what every fascist man-child would like people to believe, it’s actually very, very easy to not look like or associate yourself with Nazism.
Nazi lives don’t matter.
You not understanding history doesn't mean everyone is "openly declaring as a Nazi."
Elon is.
Zelensky is not.
And my symbol means I've graduated from AUK, meaning if you dirtbags try your asinine bullshit further up north, I'll be commanding the squad putting a bullet between your eyes., you pretentious Putler loving fuck.
Nazi lives don't matter, which is why I won't feel bad defending Finland from invading Ruskis.
The reason Musk — the Nazi — is involved in US government currently is because Putler made people like you spread this sort of asinine bullshit and the Americans are so poorly educated it actually worked and Trump won.
How do you know Elon is a Nazi?
You’re comfortable calling him a Nazi for the salute, but not convinced the people erecting monuments of Nazis might also be one themselves?
Like I said, your rhetoric is straight up garbage. It's sort of pitiful to me to that you don't see it. This feels like fighting a 12-year old. It's just not fair.
All you have is your honestly pathetic bullshit about random vague "leadership of Ukraine" openly proclaiming (you might need a refresher course on English) to be Nazis and when pressed for any evidence you have none.
Then when I ask you about anything, you have to pretend you didn't even see it. It's just... so childish. And not in a cute way. In a "6-year old who's still breastfeeding" way.
The point is you're a Russian who supports Putler and you're trying to lie your head off because you can't admit that you guys are the baddies, you broke international laws, you keep doing crimes on humanity and Ukraine is clearly the good guy, although obviously no-one is perfect. But to think that you'd pretend you're arguing that it's wrong that Ukraine defends itself from Russias illegal invasion because... some guys in one battalion have Nazi-tattoos? You do know that Russia is taking rapists, murderers and other scum directly from prison to fight, I'm sure. Yet you won't be able to answer that.
You're quite as pathetic as @davel@lemmy.ml
You still pretending I'm a Nazi because you don't know Finnish military history? Huh?
Do you think Russia was right in breaking international law and violating Ukraine's sovereignty with their war of aggression? No? You don't think it wrong and you can't even say that, because you're afraid someone from the government might see your social media history and you might "fall out a window"?
I come with sources. You come with name calling, and an iron cross. You think you’re advocating your position well?
Which sources and for what exactly?
You claim "Ukrainian politicians are openly proclaiming to be Nazis and wearing Nazi symbols".
I press you on that. You produce an article of some people in the batshit crazy — and already controversial even in Ukraine — Azov battalion having Nazi tattoos, as if that means jack shit. Russia employs literal rapists, murderers and the criminally insane to fight for it, because it's running out of Orcs. Why does that not mean the Russian leaders are as bad? (Although, they are, but not because of that.)
Then you start going on about Musk.
Then you pretend like I'm a Nazi because you pretend like the Finnish AUK cross is "Nazi insignia". (What are you, 12? :D)
Then you start going on about some random statues for "Nazi heroes" or something. And the "source" you probably have is going to turn out to be some weird niche statue somewhere of a historically controversial figure and not an actual Nazi like Göebbels or something. Meanwhile, just like I said, you keep pathetically avoiding answering whether you're pro-Russian. Because everyone knows you are and you're just crying because you guys are super sore losers and you're losing your pathetic "special military operation" 10-0.
I’ve said I’m not pro-Russia multiple times. The insistence by multiple comments here saying opposing Nazis in Ukraine is pro-Russia, says more about you than the people you’re accusing.
Ah, so you acknowledge that Russia broke international law by invading Ukraine and Putin and other Russians are responsible for the crimes against humanity they've committed? Good.
Yeah. At the same time I can acknowledge that the puppet government in Ukraine and NATO spent years goading them into that war. Every foreign policy expert warned it was a bad idea. Even war criminal Kissinger said the US/NATO were leading us into a disastrous proxy war years before it happened.
That “other Russians” has me worried. Stinks of justification for violence against civilians.
"They started it! They goaded us so ofc we're allowed to do a full-scale invasion."
Fucking... what?
The invasion is illegal. Against international law. And during it, Russia has broken several other international laws, committed crimes against humanity. And your answer is "well, uh, what about NATO?"
Work on your reading comprehension.
I’m saying there are no good sides in this war.
There are. Ukraine, a sovereign nation (mooostly) in compliance with international rules is defending their borders against an illegal aggressor, Russia, who keep committing warcrimes of all sorts.
So fuck your "both sides are as bad" you Putler apologist.
That's the first few I could be arsed to list.
It’s not a sovereign nation. The US installed a far-right regime in the 2014 Maiden Coup. And being in compliance with international law isn’t a thing where “mostly” cuts it.
Yeah there's just no end to your insanity and ignorance.
No need to source anything, just make absolutely batshit claims while ignoring all the massive crimes against humanity Russia has committed.
You're pathetic and I really hope you get drafted.
If the Ukraine was so Nazi, why didn't Russia go to the UN and create a multi-country coalition to remove the Nazis and save the people?
And why would these Nazis elect a Jew?
If taken at face value it sounds pretty much the same as the Hamas being a freedom-fighting group
Please expand on that nonsense. How does that make sense in your brain?
Well you say that a Nazi-group stays a Nazi group even when they are fighting against an invader.
Does that work the same way for the Hamas? Once a terrorist group always one? Or are they a liberation army?
Hamas was never a terrorist group. They are fighting an occupying force. By legal definition, they are a resistance group. A radical group, for sure, but the Israeli politicians created Hamas to prevent the secular Palestinian groups from achieving any peace agreements.
But I wouldn’t expect someone defending Nazis to understand that.
WSWS is a biased "trotskyist" rag and this is an opinion piece whingeing about Ukraine throwing off the shackles of soviet oppression written by the leader of a former Ukrainian political party that was banned for having ties to Russia. Opinion disregarded
The TOI link you posted lists its source as a tweet which no longer exists.
Neither link claims "Ukrainian leadership declared themselves Nazis"
You want more? Oh man, have I got more! I’ll try to stick to whitewashed sources you’d like.
https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-738940
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna198961
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1290946
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-us-weapons-azov-a3a555670bedeae2022900621d79aba7
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/04/08/progressives-in-greece-reject-zelenskys-address-to-parliament-with-neo-nazis/
I'm not claiming that there has never been Nazis in Ukraine. The Holodomor was pretty fresh in the minds of Ukrainians when Germany invaded and whether you believe it was an intentional ploy by Stalin to quell succession movements the USSR states or not it was definitely seen as one by many in the population. Collaborating with any invading force under the context of millions of your countrymen appearing to have been murdered by the state is frankly unsurprising.
The people having streets named after them in Ukraine may have been Nazis but is that the reason they are being "honored"? Most articles across the political spectrum tend to gloss over the actual reasons. one of the ones you posted even says "The Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine [and presumably others] avoids mentioning Kubiyovych’s Nazi past, instead focusing on his work before and after World War II" so the answer to that seems to be an emphatic no. Would i personally rename a street after him knowing what i know about him? definitely not. but it's not about Nazism, it's about forging a national identity separate from that of their historic oppressors.
Russia does not care about denazifying ukraine, if Putin cared about Nazis he wouldn't have allowed this guy to become second in command of his chief black ops battalion.
Ukraine has had problems with nationalism, but that does not a "Nazi" state make and the trend including with Azov has been away from problematic fascistic ideology.
Russia on the other hand has been increasingly embracing fascistic traits. Wikipedia defines fascism as "a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy." Most of which are traits that Russia has comfortably ticked for well over a decade, Ukraine on the other hand has not.
And still none of the links you posted make mention of "Ukrainian leadership declar[ing] themselves Nazis" as was your original claim
You mistakenly believe my opposition to Nazis is support for Russia. It is not.
This is not team sports. This is real life.
"I don't support Russia but do exclusively parrot their talking points and refuse to accept that Ukraine could be a victim"
Correct, and real life is not Black and White, it is shades of Grey. Ukraine has existed in the grey of history for as long as it was subjugated by Russia
Ukraine is absolutely a victim. The US and NATO personnel responsible for toppling their government in the 2014 Maiden Coup should be tried and hanged. As well as those who have abused Ukraine for another proxy war with Russia.
lmao. Both extremely capitalist: money, wage labor, private property, classes, etc. Read a book.
Perhaps, but the CCP proclaim themselves to be a "communist" country and the tankies believe them even though their actions are, like you said, capitalist-like.