The idea that Russia was provoked into invading their neighbors is ridiculous if you actually look at the history Russias relations with their neighbors in the late 00’s. It’s just imperialism…

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee -3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

And a lot of that expansion is done while Russia wanted to join NATO , or while they were on a permanent joint council with NATO. Up until recently NATO was just an organization used to give hand outs to the American military industrial complex.

It wasn't until their invasion of Georgia and the resulting capital pull out from Moscow that Russia even complained about NATO.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

It’s true, Putin tried to join NATO once, to join the imperialism club, but the US rejected Russia, because the US wanted (and still wants) Russia Balkanized and re-plundered instead. Russia has figured out that it’s better off allying with Global South countries than attempting imperialist adventures upon them. And this war has accelerated that allyship.

Up until recently NATO was just an organization used to give hand outs to the American military industrial complex.

The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee -1 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

true, Putin tried to join NATO once, to join the imperialism club, but the US rejected Russia

They never made an official application, Putin wanted to be invited.

because the US wanted (and still wants) Russia Balkanized and re-plundered instead.

"a small but growing lobby in Europe and the United States making the case for the break-up of the Russian Federation. Their main argument is that Putin’s denial of Ukraine’s right to exist proves that the Russian state is irredeemable imperialist"

Kinda an underwhelming theory considering your article is talking about a small group reacting to very modern imperialism, not a scheme from the early 00s to deny Russia NATO membership, especially when they were made a permanent joint council.

Russia has figured out that it’s better off allying with Global South countries than attempting imperialist adventures upon them

Ahh yes, famous liberators like....bashar al-assad.

The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World

CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It

And notice how none of those "sources" are before 2014, and especially not before 2008. It's almost like there's a modern push to reinterpret the dangers of NATO.

NATO is imperialist and I'm not a fan of it, however post Soviet dissolution it wasn't ever enough of an actual threat to validate invading Ukraine, Georgia, or sponsoring the other break away factions in their neighbors back yard.

I'll leave it at that, because I don't think you're arguing in good faith, and you've already said you aren't a socialist, so I'm guessing by our just a Russian nationalist and I'm wasting my time.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

It's really amazing how many racist tropes and deflections you manage to fit into so few paragraphs

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Kinda an underwhelming theory considering your article is talking about a small group

Balkanizing Russia has been in the bipartisan neocon playbook for around thirty years, and is precisely why the US has been working to expand NATO eastward in those years

you’ve already said you aren’t a socialist

I said nothing of the sort and in fact said the opposite by explaining my ML-based analysis.