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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I'm not American but wouldn't that mean Vance becomes president? It's tempting to think he couldn't be any worse, but trump likes the fucker so who knows?

[–] masinko@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The main benefit of it is a lot of the MAGA movement will wither with him gone. Someone will be a successor to it, but I don't think anyone is as influential to that movement as he is.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social -1 points 22 hours ago

I thought that, too. The movement will whither without a charismatic, shameless entertainer as its face and focus; who else is out there like that? Then, it hit me.

Joe Rogan.

But it's not like President Leon is cozying up to Rogan... right?

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago
[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I certainly wouldn't be crying myself to sleep that night.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think anyone would be sleeping with so much partying going around lol

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Sure, Trumpy and JD the Couch Fucker are dead however the new President is Mike Johnson. Looking at the Presidential Line of Succession, it's shit all the way down.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Of the entire list, I guess I'd pick Grassley.

At least he's from the old school of partisan bickering.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Do Americans have no way to force an early election?

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think so, the US isn't like a Parliamentary government where the Government is comprised of sitting Members of Parliament and therefore are subject to the will of the Parliament.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Wow that's kinda fucked

There are recall elections but those are for state elections.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honestly, Vance seems even worse to me. Trump has that embarrassing grandpa vibe and he seems too stupid to make any important decisions on his own or realize what he's doing. Vance gives me a determined murderous intent vibe.

[–] Tiger@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah Vance seems like a straight up dangerous psychopath. I’m very scared of him getting more power. (I’m worried already by the immense power he already has) I hope public support galvanizes against him quickly.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Vance is much less capable than Trump (and yes, I realize the complete deapth of incompetence that would imply). The harm that he could do would be negated by the complete inability of anyone around him to take him or any threat from him seriously. Especially those on his own side.

Trump, at the very least, still has the threat of his rabid fans to wield.

[–] Tiger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Less capable? I’m not so sure, the dude has backchannel smarmed his way into being VP at the age of like fucking 12, he’s smart and ambitious and evil. Bad combination.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

He's there because he is a willing toady and not a threat to Trump. No one would be willing to follow him.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago

Vance doesn't have any of Trump's presence. He's just such a weenie.