NonCredibleDefense

Western countries just negotiate with Russia and everyone agrees that Ukraine doesn’t join NATO because doing so destabilizes the entire region.

Joining NATO would destabilize the entire region because... it would force Russia to invade Ukraine even harder?

Have you considered why Ukraine wants to join NATO so fucking badly?

The big sticking point here is NATO … take it off the negotiating table, then you can see where the Russians are at.

Invading Ukraine, like they did in 2014, long before NATO membership was a consideration for Ukraine?

The reason why Russia is so staunchly against Ukraine (or any other countries) joining NATO is because it makes it that much harder to start a landgrab war.

Otherwise, there’s a war being fought with a steady stream of people dying because someone wants to join an exclusive club?

There's a war being fought with a steady stream of people dying because Russia invaded with the intent to murder Ukrainians and exterminate Ukraine as an independent nation.

Ukraine wanting to join the "Don't invade me" club is hardly fucking surprising in light of that.