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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Peasant uprisings almost always (or just always???) end in failure, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

As we all know, Ireland was utterly lacking in peasant uprisings before the Potato Blight.

That the greatest period of starvation in Ireland's modern history, during a period of continent-wide unrest had one rebellion with two deaths might suggest that starvation is not the revolutionary impetus you think it is.

What? No. The Russian peasantry was having the time of their lives during WWI (well, the ones not conscripted into the war anyway). It’s a long story, but because of inflation, strained supply chains and government failures meant that while the food was there, it just wasn’t getting to the cities.

The food wasn't there, because some ~90% of the conscripts sent off to WW1 were peasants, in a system that was already in a very precarious position regarding labor and backwards technology being unable to compensate for shortages of labor. Not only that, but WW1 resulted also in the massive buy-up of horses, also key to peasant life and agricultural production. Even in peacetime it was noted that rural peasantry were malnourished, even by the low standards of the Russian working class, and the situation did not improve during the wartime years.

Also do note that the Russian peasantry, while not as revolutionary as the urban proletariat, were absolutely not indifferent to the prospect of revolution. These were the people breaking into, ransacking and burning down their local nobles’ manors. They were also electing these guys.

... land-reformers who split with another, more radical socialist party, and who had only marginal support from the peasantry after 1907? How... revolutionary?

Those are literally the same thing. Economic distress is just an expression of the human desire not to starve.

Oh great, increased car payments are just an expression of the human desire not to starve too.

I don’t see why peasants would be any more affected by lack of food than the urban proletariat, but that could be just my ignorance.

Not ignorance so much as "still not getting what I'm saying".

Also Marx’s reasons for making that conclusion were based on peasants’ relationship with private property and religion, and not about how they’re somehow more at leace with rhe prospect of starving to death.

Yes, but if the peasantry, who are objectively in a worse food situation than the urban proletariat, are starving, according to your hunger-based analysis of revolutionary impetus, they should be immensely revolutionary. Yet history shows, time and time again, that this is not the case - and Marx, living during the Revolutions of '48 you claim were driven by hunger, himself noted the lack of revolutionary sentiment in the peasantry. If starvation was what caused men to rise up and kill their superiors to feed themselves, the starving should be at the forefront - yet the most starving demographic of the period did not rise up. Marx, largely correctly, connected this with the unique interests of the peasantry as a class - starvation had nothing to do with revolution.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Yes, and a million starving men will kill the people keeping all the bread so they can eat.

Brilliant, I suppose that's why famines are so often accompanied by redistribution of wealth, once the rich have been killed so the poor can eat. Inequality plummets after famines, what with all of those dead elites. /s

The Russian revolution, for example, was directly caused by the lack of food in Russian cities,

The actual conditions of food availability had been considerably worse without murmur of revolution, numerous times before. And quite a few times after, for that matter. Much of the initial unrest was because of the prospect of rationing was the final irritant in a weak government's loss of popularity, not because people were starving. Furthermore, the strata most likely to experience anything resembling actual starvation was the peasantry, which was largely indifferent to the prospect of revolution, and would end up as a primary support base for the counterrevolutionaries in the years to come.

and the revolutions of 1848-1849 were in part caused by the hungry forties.

Insofar as they caused economic distress by increasing food prices. Insofar as actual starvation is concerned, no. There's a reason why the Communist Manifesto, itself written during the Revolutions of 48, mentions the lack of revolutionary potential of the peasantry, who would've been the most food insecure of the classes.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

Intentionally.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

My Amazon boycott has been going legit since October, when Bezos quashed the WaPo endorsement. Won't pretend that I don't miss some of the convenience, and I sure as shit wasn't a lucrative customer padding their profit margins, but a man has to have some standards.

Same reason why I gave up Pepsi shortly after the outbreak of the Russo-Ukrainian War. I don't expect corpos to have a conscience, but I sure as shit still ain't gonna back the worst of the offenders.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Crypto doesn't really solve any of the problems that a payment processor wouldn't also solve, unfortunately.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

The bourgeoisie, rather than nobility, and the peasants were largely reactionaries; it was the urban proletariat which provided the enthusiastic manpower of the Revolution.

But yes, I agree. Organization and leaders make revolutions.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I’ll make a note that you are an expert in revolutions and move on with my life.

There are quite a number of revolutions in history, which is my field, yes.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That’s because the people in charge (historically speaking) have made sure that not enough universal suffering happens to create a revolution.

Bruh, I can point you to some very universally-suffering societies, both modern and historical, which did not provoke revolutions; and every revolution I can think of was very far from universally suffering, compared to prior or later conditions.

Suffering is only marginally related to revolution, at best.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Real life. The offline world. Grassville.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

There doesn’t seem to be as much or the same conflicts with .ml users in communities outside .ml versus .ml communities having overbearing mods that ban people. So the federation isn’t so much the issue there. I much prefer the trend of people going to and making communities on instances where the powertrippers aren’t tripping as opposed to calling for defederation. Federation with users across the largest instances is a good thing.

Defederating means a lot of people would have to make new accounts anyway. Grad and hexbear are niche enough that defederating is closer to banning a group of users. .ml would excise a whole lot of users who aren’t even the tankies of concern.

None of that actually answers the question I asked, or clarifies the point you made that I was asking about.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Whenever Ronald dies of a grease-induced heart attack, the next child to bite into a Happy Meal becomes the New Ronald.

It's a cruel cycle

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 100 points 1 day ago

What a fascist cunt.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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