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Reading a bit more, during the sentencing phase in that state people making victim impact statements can choose their format for expression, and it's entirely allowed to make statements about what other people would say. So the judge didn't actually have grounds to deny it.
No jury during that phase, so it's just the judge listening to free form requests in both directions.
It's gross, but the rules very much allow the sister to make a statement about what she believes her brother would have wanted to say, in whatever format she wanted.
Hot take: victim impact statements shouldn't be allowed. They are appeals to emotion.
I'd argue that emotions are a legitimate factor to consider in sentencing.
It's a bit more obvious with living victims of non-homicide crimes, but the emotional impact of crime is itself a cost borne by society. A victim of a romance scam having trouble trusting again, a victim of a shooting having PTSD with episodes triggered by loud noises, a victim of sexual assault dealing with anxiety or depression after, etc.
It's a legitimate position to say that punishment shouldn't be a goal of criminal sentencing (focusing instead of deterrence and rehabilitation), or that punishment should be some sort of goal based entirely on the criminal's state of mind and not the factors out of their own control, but I'd disagree. The emotional aftermath of a crime is part of the crime, and although there's some unpredictable variance involved, we already tolerate that in other contexts, like punishing a successful murder more than an attempted murder.
Sure, but that's just vengeance.
Why do we punish based on consequences caused by the crime, then?
A drunk driver is punished much more severely if they hit and kill a person, than if they hit and hurt a person, than if they hit a tree, than if they don't crash at all.
As long as we're punishing people based on the actual impact of their crimes, then emotional impact should count.
You're right, we should change that too. Imprisoning a drunk driver for longer doesn't fix anything. Mandate treatment, put a breathalyzer in their car, or revoke their license and give them probation. If they violate probation, then imprison them until they are rehabilitated.
I'm pretty sure @booly@sh.itjust.works was meaning the exact opposite, that it's more about educating perpetrators than taking vengeance or merely dishing out old-fashioned justice on them.
It's complicated, and people can have different philosophical approaches to the goals and purposes of criminal punishment. But my argument is that people should be internally consistent in their views. If people believe that the consequences of a crime should be considered when sentencing for that crime, then emotional consequences should count, too, because emotional harm is real harm.
I feel like I could be persuaded either way, but I lean towards allowing them during sentencing.
I don't think "it's an appeal to emotion" is a compelling argument in that context because it's no longer about establishing truth like the trial is, but about determining punishment and restitution.
Justice isn't just about the offender or society, it's also indelibly tied to the victim. Giving them a voice for how they, as the wronged party, would see justice served seems important for it's role in providing justice, not just the rote application of law.
Obviously you can't just have the victim decide, but the judges entire job is to ensure fairness, often in the face of strong feelings and contentious circumstances.
Legitimately interested to hear why your opinion is what it is in more detail.
In terms of restitution, sure, the victim should have input. But in cases like imprisonment, I don't see why the victim should have input into the length of a sentence, for example. If the offender is a danger to the public, they should remain in prison until such time that they are not. Emotional appeals should not factor into that determination.
Thanks for the additional context.
It's a little weird that they get to speak for the dead like that