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[–] the_wiz@feddit.org -3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Where is this immoral? Are the EU countries bordering Germany that bad of a place? I don't think so...

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

How is it morally right to put the perceived (by people like you I assume) burden of immigration only on the countries with EU outer borders?

It's also immoral to perceive these people as a burden in the first place.

[–] the_wiz@feddit.org -1 points 15 hours ago

How is it morally right to put the perceived (by people like you I assume) burden of immigration only on the countries with EU outer borders?

This has to be addressed, with funding, staffing and other forms of aid.

It’s also immoral to perceive these people as a burden in the first place.

No, its not.

[–] simsalabim@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not about "but there are other EU states around Germany where they can apply". The immoral thing is to turn them away without a proper asylum procedure. And if you look at the numbers, there isn't really any sort of crisis that would warrant such an extreme resolution. https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/76095/umfrage/asylantraege-insgesamt-in-deutschland-seit-1995/

[–] the_wiz@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, the point is that due to the Dublin III regulation the state in which the refuge seeking person first enters the EU is primarily responsible for the asylum procedure. So, there IS a proper asylum procedure the refuge seeking persons can apply to.

[–] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The point is, this fetish for "migrants“ is first of all inhumane, and besides that also expensive and inefficient. It’s absolute brainrot no matter the amount of mental gymnastics politicians, media, and people like you are doing to justify it.

[–] the_wiz@feddit.org -1 points 1 day ago

It's not a fetish, its just the point that there is more grey to this than either "CLOSE THE BORDERS!1!" or "NOBODY IS ILLEGAL!1!"...

And regarding this "people like you" thing: What people do you mean? What category of people do you think i fit in?

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Not sure if you're serious... If you're seeking refuge, many of the countries bordering Germany are terrible places, Poland and Czechia especially.

Edit: Someone reported this comment for being "straight out of NS propaganda"..? Meanwhile Visegrad has long-standing efforts to end relocation and Poland blocks all asylum-seekers.

[–] Vlado@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How are Poland and Czechia terrible? I get why they might not be the first choice for everyone, but “terrible” is REALLY stretching it. And I say this as a citizen of country where lots of people emmigrate from into Czechia, because they consider it a better place.

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 1 points 14 hours ago

Try being an Arabic immigrant in either Poland or Czechia.

Even for people who successfully made it into society, I don't think it's easy. The tone that my former Czech co-workers (who are not radicals) used when they spoke of long-settled Vietnamese immigrants was rather telling.

[–] the_wiz@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

Well yeah, those places may be not that nice, but they are a far cry from an actual ongoing conflict zone or something like that. At this place you can apply for asylum and if it is granted you can look for further options....

If someone wants to chose a nice place to live and work at... well, there is the normal immigration procedure for that.