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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 12 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

They actually are.

Non-violent resistances have historically had double the effectiveness of violent resistance movements. Violent resistances generally just get a bunch of people killed and only makes things worse.

The reason is simple. It's a numbers game. Only a few psychopaths want violence and those few are easily dealt with by police. Sometimes they can especially troublesome and need to be dealt with by the military (LA isn't one of those cases, Trump is just an idiot). It's only the very rare case that a violent resistance topples a government and in those cases it's just replacing one group of authoritarian psychos replacing another group. The French revolution ended up with a King being replaced by an Emperor after a whole lot of people died.

Meanwhile a non-violent movement can attract more numbers. You only need single digit percentages of the population to participate in things like general strikes to make an authoritarian regime collapse. But you aren't getting those numbers with a violent resistance, people have families to think about and violent resistances are easily vilified. An authoritarian regime can exercise violence against a violent resistance and kill it. If an authoritarian regime uses violence against a non-violent resistance it's clear to everyone who the villains are and an every broader number of people will participate and subtle and secretive ways.

History bears this out, a violent resistances don't work unless there's foreign backing and even then it's unlikely to succeed. Non-violent resistances have double the probability of success. Non-violent resistances are just about psychopaths that want to burn things down coming up with bullshit rationalizations for it.

[–] ssroxnak@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

They work when the dictator knows the alternative is violence and they are outnumbered. Fun fact, MLK's peaceful protests had armed security provided by an all black militia. They don't teach that in schools because no government wants their people to think that the threat of violence works on government. That being said, it's almost always best to try the peaceful options first.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

If not for Napoleon we'd still be all ruled by kings in Europe. You can argue the cost wasn't worth it, but given you didn't even give a famous textbook example of "peaceful protests work", it's safe to say your point is mostly BS.

After what happened in the 40s it's fucking insulting to say that holding hands can save the world.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

First thing coming to mind? East Germany 1989.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

But see, that happened after fascism had already been fought off — so it doesn't count.

/s , since many people here think of moving goalposts as a legitimate tactic for debate.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 1 points 13 minutes ago

A bit beside the point, but might I add, that, looking at Eastern Germany today, fashism hadn't and hasn't been fought off.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)