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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

the people committing the genocide in gaza... has anyone thought about them and their feelings today?!

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A people as a whole cannot be responsible for a crime, because there will always be members who did not have a say in committing it (children at the very least, and realistically some adults will object too). Stopping the genocide is a good thing, holding the decision makers accountable and doing what can reasonably be done to prevent another is a good thing, but holding another in retribution for the first one would not be.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works -4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is not true.

When a sufficiently large part of a society goes along with mass high crimes such as genocide it is reasonable to collectively blame the whole of society.

I can't speak for Israel, but if you look at say russia, a strong majority (at the very least) are openly committed to genocidal imperialism and an overwhelming majority (~84%) are openly supportive of imperialism.

People come up with lazy arguments such as "they are all afraid!!!", when preference falsification can be measured and it's not a good result for the russians. A small minority falsify their preferences with respect to open support for genocide, but when it comes to imperialism (e.g. annexation if Crimea) preference falsification is literally at 1% or so for a totally adjustment from 85% to 84%.

I honestly don't know much about Israeli public opinion research, but I wouldn't be surprised to find damning results.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 7 points 3 days ago

No. If 85% of a group is guilty of something, then to say that whole group is guilty, would obviously be false, because 85 is simply not equal to 100. If I round up a group of 99 murders, and stick you in a room with them, that does not suddenly mean that you are a murderer because "the people in that room collectively are murders". Otherwise, literally everyone is, because I can simply define a group of people that includes mostly people that have committed horrible crimes, plus any given person, and now that person is a "murderer", and I can rinse and repeat until everyone has been so grouped.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

the people committing the genocide in gaza… has anyone thought about them and their feelings today?!

... are you alright?