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~~A reminder enough Democrats voted to approve this guy to be there. Everyone saw this coming.~~ incorrect statement. (Edited)
This is totally false. No Democrat voted to confirm him. It was 52 R for, 45 D, 2 I, and 1 R against. See https://ballotpedia.org/Confirmation_process_for_Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr._for_secretary_of_health_and_human_services#Confirmation_vote_roll_call for more details.
A reminder that even if it is false in this case, many Dems did vote for many of Trump’s appointees. Kristi Noem comes to mind immediately.
I will admit to being wrong here. I mis remembered.
Holy fuck, it's literally every piece of news about what a disaster the trump admin is, someone has to butt in with a reminder "what about the democrats". Democrats are irrelevant, have been since November. Even if all of them voted against, the gop would have approved this guy and all the other guys anyway. This is a gop nomination, approved by gop politicians, implementing a gop agenda, voted for by gop voters.
It's not irrelevant. Voting to confirm some obviously incompetent moron into a cabinet position makes you complicit.
Edit: in this case, they didn't actually vote for him. All Democrats voted against.
This never happened. The Democrats did not vote to confirm him.
True, but his main point stands. It's not just this. Every single time the Trump admin does something shitty, one of the first three comments is about how it's the Democrats fault.
Lemmy is being manipulated.
I'm hoping the truth can prevail over the very loud noise. But if five people come after me to argue against Democrats, what will most people in here end up believing?
I'm fine with criticizing Democrats when it's specific and targeted. This one kind of gets there. But, you know, isn't there a bigger issue?
The point is that the Democrats aren't doing anywhere near enough to resist the fascist takeover and that had been true pretty much since day one. They are so hell bent on preserving the status quo that they'll rather hand the country to the fascists than support any meaningful change.
The point is that you want to discourage/split the vote for next election.
You're doing the same the Fox News and talk radio did to Hillary Clinton over 20 years.
They should be calling for impeachment every single day. Obviously it'll never pass, but it'll gum up the works and at least show that Trump's shitshow it's unacceptable.
I'm hoping they've quietly been working on individual Republicans. It'd make sense to do this very quietly.
I have no evidence of this. Of course we wouldn't. But it also seems like it should have happened by now. Was shoving the military into LA not enough?
Yes, the fight against capitalism and the fascists that back it is an existential issue for all peoples. So it is incredibly important to point out how the Democrats are controlled opposition and waiting for them to save us will just allow us to sink deeper into the shit.
What Lemmy threads have you been in for the last two years? The constant refrain in every political thread was about how the Democratic Party, in control of the executive, should not march into genocide, fascism, and hand Trump a second term. Those people got heavy resistance in every thread likewise without fail. There were those who felt a stance on Gaza was hypocritical and that a genocide should not have any place in their politics.
This is the entirely preventable and predictable reality.
Yep. No one except leftists tried to hold Dems accountable, so the politicians got lazy and complicit.
Republicans are certainly to blame for all their crimes, but the Democrats are accessories before, during and after the fact, when they should be the cops.
a surprising number of DEMS are actually Dinos, hence whyit so easy some of them capitiulate tot he gop, because they work with them behind the scenes. its all mostly backdoor deals anyways, gop does this, dems get this next election,,,etc.
They're all owned by corporate lobbyists with very few exceptions.
I'll agree with complicit, but the main responsibility lies with the gop and the public that put them in place. There are 77 million people responsible, and a few dems "complicit".
…and a shocking number of democratic ones. It SHOULD have been a party lines vote. But Democratic politicians did what they always do: extend an olive branch while they’re in the process of actively getting fucked over, and then portray theatrical shock and dismay when entirely predictable consequences issue from the situation.
Genuinely, I have a very hard time believing the Democratic Party and its leadership isn’t just controlled opposition at this point. They’re so consistently feckless and ineffective - and have been for so long - that it’s got to be intentional at some level.
This is not true at all.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1191/vote_119_1_00052.htm
Look at this, not a single (D) amongst the Yeas
and also they dint pursue the election rigging by the GOP when it really mattered, only like what 9 months later, everyone knew the machines, states were all rigged the moment we saw the counting has stopped for some of the states.
Agreed.
It's still important because the Democrats are our opposition to the GOP, so we need to work on replacing establishment Dems with people with a soul and a spine or we'll never get anywhere.
Remember when RFK jr was trying to hitch his wagon to either Biden’s camp or trumps?
Dems didn’t call out his pseudoscience then and distance themselves.
Dems voted to confirm wormbrain.
The DNC is complicit in this shit show and enable the GOP
Dems rejected his proposal and he went to trump. If the dems voted not to confirm him it wouldn't have mattered. The republicans are in charge, full control of all branches of government. Complaining about the dems everytime a republican does something barbaric is just excusing their behavior.
Not voting to confirm him might not have changed the result, but they wouldn't have to hang their heads in shame over it.
Republicans use every dirty trick in the book to try and stymie progress when the Democrats are in, but when the Republicans are in, the Democrats roll over and let them so whatever they want. Even merely symbolic resistance is better than that.
I agree with everything you said. Nothing wrong with that.
Just saying, shitting on democrats on every piece of news about republicans fucking the country, doesn't seem very productive (or relevant).
None of these comments are 'productive', really. It's just people venting their frustrations, and who can blame them for that?
Well, I'm venting my frustration with them.
Kristy Noam killed a puppy. "But why didn't Kamala stop her?"
Republicans are taking aways Medicare. "And why didnt dems stop them?"
Trump is having your puppy for dinner. "But Pelosi did insider trading!".
See? It's fun, isn't it? Feel better?
Edit: my comment above got posted twice for some reason.
Oh, well if it didn't matter if they chose to confirm him or not, why did they do it?
And you're excusing the Democrats for confirming an anti-science wormbrain to the highest medical office in the land.
I get not wanting to blame the Democrats when the Republicans are shitty, but that only really works WHEN THE DEMOCRATS AREN'T PART OF THE REASON IT HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Generally I'd be with you in trying to shift the unwarranted blame, but it's not unwarranted in this situation at all.
If none of it mattered, why tf would Dems vote to confirm him? It’s spineless leadership that spits on voters who are sick of not having any representation. The establishment Dems are complacent and can’t bothered with showing any form of resistance. It is not excusing the GOP to say the DNC is complicit trash.
Why? No idea, maybe for optics, maybe because some deals, maybe because they are idiots. Idiots without power for the next year and a half at least.
I think it is excusing the gop if on every comment section about their fuckups the top 5 comment is "but the dems".
Democrats still got almost half the votes in the entire country and they aren't doing any efforts to represent their interests.
Not if you're Israeli, which is all that counts. You got your boom boom tonight!
ready the tribunals.
i swear to god if americans don't drag these democrats out of the country (and maybe into an el salvador prison) for collaborating with fascists they don't deserve a democracy ever.
Not a single democrat voted for rfk jr
cool. save the tribunals for those who voted for the dog killer noem.
Who are twenty people who downvoted the comment? As is the attribute of the party, there are always enough Democrats who are bootlickers and vote for oligarchic policies to keep the corruption going!
The 20 of us who looked up the vote record for his confirmation?
Democrats do bad things, but let's at least complain about the bad things they actually did.