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On X11 and the Fascists Maggots (blogs.gnome.org)

submitted 2 days ago by Mihies@programming.dev to c/linux@programming.dev

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This is a truly WTF moment about messed up responses to X11 session removal in Gnome.

2 weeks ago I published a blogpost about the upcoming plans of GNOME 49 and the eventual removal of the X11 session. Since then, instead of looking at feedback, bugs and issues related to the topic, we all collectively had to deal with the following, and I am not exaggerating one bit:

Fascists and Nazis
Wild Conspiracy Theories that make Qanon jealous
“Concerned” Trolling about the Accessibility of the Wayland session
A culture war where Wayland is Gay, and X11 is the glorious past they stole from you

In my wildest dreams I could have never made this shit up. You all need mandatory supervised access to the Internet from now on.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

When was the last time your tried Wayland? I've had no issues with it whatsoever.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Same. Would be curious to know what problems this has caused any actual normal users (not weirdo fascist tech bros).

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

In Ubuntu, Wayland causes my mouse cursor to freeze for about 1 second periodically. Doesn't do that in X11. I'm not about to spend who-knows-how-long troubleshooting this when I can just not use it.

[–] mholiv@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

They probably won’t get specific.

But I will say that the comment here is a quintessential example of an anti Wayland/SystemD complaint.

Nothing specific ever. Just “it’s a mess and buggy and slow”.

This being said by me making this comment the original poster might come up with the some specifics just because they feel called out.

[–] the_wiz@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

As a weirdo (maybe not a fascist tech bro, but who am I to judge) my personal grudge against systemd and Wayland is that I personally simply DON'T LIKE CHANGE.

[–] HER0@beehaw.org 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Personally, the main thing keeping me on Xorg is support for global keybinds. Plasma and GNOME both have support for the XDG portal which mostly addresses this, but apps still needs to adopt it. Plasma also has a workaround for global keybindings, but I don't use that. Sway doesn't have any good solutions for this last time I checked.

Overall, I like Wayland more but I need support for global keybindings for at least a couple programs I regularly use.

[–] U@piefed.social 1 points 15 hours ago

Same.

I'm solely usually keyboard, activating the windows I'm constantly using through shortcuts. Not having them is a big no no.

I also need to record live streams on OBS, and last time I tried the target windows couldn't be detected.

Also, I rely on many small X programs thenhanc little things that, together, are all part of my workflow. Most of them are not available on Wayland, and those that are are crippled due to Wayland's limitations.

Ultimately, these discussions are pointless. Some Waylanders don't understand there's more to computer use than just running the latest hardware/software. Ideally, both protocols would coexist, allowing a broader range of choice. But X11ers in return being offensive to Waylanders is not admissable.