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[โ€“] Bimfred@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Preface: I'm no rocket surgeon.

Wish they weren't scribbling off SpaceX's design so hard. It's entirely possible that examining the conditions and dynamics of re-entry would lead to a very Starship-like design in the end, but there's merit in exploring the possibilities. Especially since this is supposed to be a smaller vehicle, so it won't be experiencing the same exact conditions as Starship at any stage of flight. Fingers crossed that it really is just a render for publicity and the actual design will be informed by physics, not FOMO.

But it certainly puts a smile on my face to see ESA gradually pulling its head out of its ass and realizing that reusability isn't a fad.

[โ€“] burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If they have to copy something, I wish they would pick the Stoke upper stage. I feel like the capsule reentry has to be way easier than the Starship one. I'm sure the aerospike would add a bunch of issues. And the architecture is still unproven. It just seems like a less insane vehicle that will scale up and down better.

[โ€“] Bimfred@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

A capsule design will likely never be fully reusable, since it doesn't allow you to shield the second stage engine(s), propellant tanks and anything else that usually goes in the trunk section. For a fully reusable design, you need to go with either a spaceplane or whatever it is that we're calling the Starship's cylinder-with-control-surfaces design.

EDIT: Looked into Stoke's design a little more. It's a fascinating idea and I will be looking forward to test launches!

There's one more option - propulsive re-entry. You point your big engines retrograde and burn until your velocity is effectively zero, then descend on a <1g burn. Won't need heat shields if you don't have to endure re-entry heat. But this ain't happening until we develop ludicrously more efficient high thrust engines and orbital fuel production.