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[–] Sunshine@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I have seen at least 11 studies for dogs and 4 for cats supporting the evidence that a plant-based diet can be healthy. But one must buy the pet food that has the essential nutrients such as b12 and taurine.

[–] ywuduyu@piefed.social 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

For cats? Are you sure? I read the exact opposite

[–] ExistingConsumingSpace@midwest.social 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You're correct. Cats are obligate carnivores. It's literally abuse to not feed them meat, so they don't really jive with a vegan lifestyle regardless of your views on animal companionship.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.social -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Cats cant be vegan it's a philosophy however they can thrive on a plant-based diet.

[–] ExistingConsumingSpace@midwest.social 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I was not discussing the philosophy of cats. Cats can not survive, let alone thrive, on a plant based diet. They require meat as a part of their biology.

https://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/cats-are-carnivores-so-they-should-eat-like-one/

[–] Sunshine@piefed.social -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I was not discussing the philosophy of cats.

You literally just said " they don’t really jive with a vegan lifestyle" They can't chose it for themselves.

They require meat as a part of their biology.

That's not necessarily true, they just need the nutrients. Research in the last 4 years contradicts that claim.

[–] ExistingConsumingSpace@midwest.social 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think there may be a language barrier here. Stating cats don't "jive with a vegan lifestyle" is referring to the lifestyle of the individual with the cat, not the opinions cat themselves. A few studies in a controlled environment were they kept cats alive is not the same as what's best for the cats. There are definitely ethical concerns with attempting that at home.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.social -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You’re calling cats “vegan” when that’s not possible.

A cat isn’t going to care about the animals they hunt.

I literally didn't. There is clearly a barrier that can't be surpassed here, so I'll disengage. Best of luck to you.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] ywuduyu@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you! I will read into that.

[–] decended_being@midwest.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

Like all creatures, cats require specific nutrients, not ingredients. 'Obligate' carnivore is not a thing. But regardless, there should be far fewer domestic cats.

[–] Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

CATS ARE CARNIVORES. It’s abusive and dangerous to make a cat into a vegan.

Dogs can do it, but you must be careful.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

to make a cat into a vegan.

Cats are completely unable to agree to the tenets of veganism. They're just felines who want good nutritious food.

Dogs can do it, but you must be careful.

Talk to your vet first.

[–] wolfyvegan@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But one must buy

In practice, in today's world, yes, but in theory one could and preferably would exchange such items of value without the use of fiat currency, no? (I remember reading that supplementing another amino acid was also beneficial for cats, but I can never remember if it was carnosine or carnitine...)

[–] Sunshine@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I would say that poses another question. Is it possible for formulated companion food to be created small scale enough in a community that can be bartered? A vet would have to test for the nutrient requirements.

[–] wolfyvegan@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I don't mean that it would need to be formulated and produced on the local community level; even if production were more centralised, it could be traded/distributed outside of the capitalist monetary system if the people involved were so inclined. Again, in theory, not necessarily in a world so tightly controlled by industrial capitalism as that of today. I'd say that "one would need to acquire" rather than "one must buy" in the sense that nutrition requirements are what they are, independently of the monetary system. The last thing that we need is for people to justify non-human exploitation on the basis that the vegan alternative requires supporting a shadowy paedophilic corporate elite.

(I looked it up, and it was L-carnosine that was beneficial but not strictly essential. Also mycoprotein would make more sense than legumes for methionine intake and urine acidity.)