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I'd like to see how putting a bullet in masked kidnappers who are not in police uniform and refuse to show badge numbers holds up or not in court. Like how is anyone going to know the difference? It's just self defense. Genuinely curious - is there precedent for that?
Lol
Is it legal to murder kidnappers in the USA as a bystander?
Well, the Derossett case in 2019 confirmed that you can shoot plainclothes police who don't identify themselves if they're kidnapping someone from your home. Presumably that would extend to yourself too. Outside your property, I dunno. But as a bystander, there is tons of legal precedent that you can kill someone in the act of committing an armed robbery or some other forcible felony even if it's not directed at you, and that killing is not a crime. Murder, rape, and kidnapping also fall into this forcible felony category.
My best guess is a lower court would correctly conclude with a not guilty verdict, and it would keep getting appealed with a fast track to reaching the Supreme Court because ICE are a gang of losers. And then it depends on the can of worms that the Supreme Court is willing to open to appease their daddy.
There's no way that was ICE. NO US organization has ever bought a foreign vehicle for official use.
Ice is currently using civilian vehicles sometimes supplied by the ice team member them selves. Welcome to the USA.
BYO car, the Uber gig work version of DHS. They’re probably paid per brown person kidnapped as well.
Rentals and it is actually legal for them to obtain other vehicle types. It's always just a form away.
Who's renting to these guys? And how soon can we boycott them?
The VIN is in the comments here...
Usually government rentals are done through a single servicer contracted by the government that matches you with a rental company or they can be directly rented with a government credit card.
The issue here is it's basically every car rental place and there's not really a way for the rental place to check what branch of the government it is. It could be ICE, it could be the department of state, the national park service. So basically you would have to boycott every rental agency that rents to the government regardless of agency and that is effectively all of them
Only a matter of time before we find out.