THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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RULES
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③ Saying ~~cops~~ ANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They're about killing people; we're not.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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I've actually changed my view on gun rights. I've been a proponent all my life. We need them today for the same reason we needed them in the Revolutionary war; to protect from tyranny. And yet here we are, with a couldn't-be-more-clearly tyrannical government and the people who are supposed to stop them are yelling "tread harder, daddy!" and the other people abhorr violence. So down we go.
I’ve moved in the opposite direction. Clearly it’s a constitutional right, some people have valid uses for weapons and they can be fun to use. However they also very clearly cause more harm than good, and they do more harm than good just looking at the subset of personal protection. Your right to bear arms should not put me in danger, and it is. Where is my right to be safe and secure.
But one thing the authoritarian regime in the us has made clear is that overwhelming force is overwhelming. We long since past the point where personal weapons could be argued as a useful “militia” against a politicized military. However now police forces have been militarized past the point where personal weapons could be argued as useful against abusive authority. Arming yourself will get you and others killed without any likelihood of causing change.
We see that any violence just gives pretext and any effective resistance has been non-violent. Our best weapons are still checks and balances, eroded as those are, and human decency, despite the sociopaths
I think I was not clear. I was pro-gun. I am no longer.
I disagree, but it's also clear that no one is going to exercise that right.
LOL there are none. Trump exposed our entire political system as a sham. All non-violent legal avenues have been exercised, with nothing to show for it, because Trump and the conservatives don't care about the law, ignore and abuse the law, and have openly expressed contempt for the law. We're just fucked.
Noone is doing so because they know thats what 47 wants. He wants an escalation, to send in the troops, to have his night of broken glass. Instead cities and citizens are resisting without hurting the thugs the feds hired and they are failing publicly to detain large people who just sit down (because all the fit and smart officers are not supporting this) and hippies in frog costumes. The feds and their leaders look like fools (and they are), I would cap this off with an emporer Nero joke, but the country is not on fire (it has its problems, but they are fixable) and I dont think he could play any instrument with his fat tiny hands anyway.
What exactly do you think is being achieved with pacifism? Did the nazis just go home when the people left them alone?
The President is weaponizing the military to invade US cities. US citizens are being disappeared off the streets and deported to random foreign countries for absolutely no reason (other than offending the tangerine in chief), and with no due process. When questioned about it, they spout just blatant and obvious lies, with no supporting evidence. The President is ignoring orders from his own Supreme Court. He considers himself a King and has open contempt for the law. The entire government has been shut down for the sole purpose of denying the citizens any semblance of socialized medical care. The country is very much on fire. We are speedrunning the playbook of corruption and tyranny.
Why would they want to detain them?
I'd love to see evidence for that.
You just pointed out all the things 47, and his handlers, alone are doing, validating his reality. The overwelming majority of people are carrying on with normal lives, normal job. You are going to solve none of those problems, but it is our duty to help those who need it and draw attention to injustice where it is found.
Points 2/3 were validated this sub, not 3 posts ago when a guy resisted arrest by just sitting down and refusing to move. Made a scene about it, but thats what your supposed to do. The thugs in masks just left after a crowd gathered. The point is this new wave of feds are not the best and brightest.
Furthermore, if you escalate, your giving the enemy what they want. DCs escalation was predicated of some shitheel from DOGE getting beat up. Do not give them the ammunition to spin a narrative.
They really don't need ammunition to spin a narrative, they'll just make one up like they've done for 50 years....
You're replying to my comment so I'm assuming you're in the same reality as the rest of us.
I don't understand what that's supposed to mean?
Or this, either.
What else am I supposed to be giving them? You think they don't want people to stand by and just let them do whatever they want?
We can't stop them from spinning whatever narrative they want. They just state is as a fact, with no evidence at all, and tribalistic morons eat that shit up.