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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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!abolition@slrpnk.net

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Randy Balko

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

USA is becoming everything they accuse China of being...

Every accusation a right winger makes is a confession.

[–] barnacul@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

China is also this, but now USA is too

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

You wanna show me video evidence of this happening in China? Because we can't just go around saying shit, babes

[–] Pulsar@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

Seems like the constitution that the GOP proclaimed to defend is only an old piece of paper.

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like with any bully, this will continue until they are punched in the mouth.

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shot in the dick would be more effective

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I like you. You see a pedo problem and you shoot right at the source.

[–] Pulsar@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

But, they were not only coming for the worst criminals?

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 106 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Still think you have rights? Still think they'll eventually treat you fairly? Still want my guns? Fuck. You.

I feel like a cornered rat watching all the other rats yell slogans at the cat. Predators don't have empathy. Not having feelings for your prey is a rather important part of being a predator.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 19 points 2 days ago (27 children)

I've actually changed my view on gun rights. I've been a proponent all my life. We need them today for the same reason we needed them in the Revolutionary war; to protect from tyranny. And yet here we are, with a couldn't-be-more-clearly tyrannical government and the people who are supposed to stop them are yelling "tread harder, daddy!" and the other people abhorr violence. So down we go.

[–] iridebikes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (6 children)

You've been pro gun your whole life but your view has changed?

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[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Same here. I never thought I would buy or own a gun. Did some research and decided to buy a Mossberg 500 pump action shotgun which is cheap (~$500), reliable, easy for many different types of people to use, and relatively safe.

It's also pretty easy to disassemble and modify if desired. There are some great step by step videos on how to do it and also there's even a video game called gunsmith simulator thats pretty accurate (atleast for the Mossberg) which you can use to virtually disable and learn about your gun.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Congrats! Best choice for a shotgun to my mind. I have a Revelations brand from the 70s that's the exact same gun, rebranded to sell in Western Auto Stores. It's rattly and loose all over, cannot fail to function. Only malfunctions have been operator error.

You gotta practice though! Shooting is a perishable skill. You don't want to spaz out and short stroke it, forget how to clear a stovepipe, be subconsciously afraid of the recoil, stuff like that. Speaking of, I need practice. Bought these stupidly powerful shells for another shotgun that wouldn't work with regular loads. Now that's all I have and it hurts.

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[–] solxyz@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If these guys start messing with you on the street are you going to shoot them then and there? Really? I bet you wind up dead if you try it. I own guns myself, but I don't see anyway that they are a solution to the political problems that we're having, either individually or collectively?

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It sounds like you're asking the question of "are you willing to die defending your rights"

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Then the answer is yes. I've made plenty of comments on the subject. I have plenty to lose, but I'm no longer young.

For example, if ICE tries to drag my legal wife off, I am prepared to fight to the death. That's not braggadocio. It's a thing I've thought long and hard on. That's a hill I will die on.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Over broad question. I've made dozens of comments here as to what I will and will not do. And I am not ignorant of the consequences. You will also find that in those comments.

[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 64 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Freedom, guys! Nobody's as free as the United States! Freedom!!! Fuck yeah

Obligatory Poe's law\s

[–] RedRibbonArmy@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Only a matter of time before these fools try this on the wrong person and they get blasted.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

This is becoming a civil war, and in wars, people become disposable.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 32 points 3 days ago (24 children)

What the fuck are those guys?

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 11 points 2 days ago

Yeah, that was my point. I mean I can see a badge among all the handyman clutter but considering they're masked, I don't think it has a unique ID on it.

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