this post was submitted on 25 Oct 2025
338 points (68.2% liked)

Memes

52991 readers
1060 users here now

Rules:

  1. Be civil and nice.
  2. Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.

founded 6 years ago
MODERATORS
 

BlueMAGA

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

No one actually believes he ended the war

There is no war, there is an ongoing genocide of Palestinians by the settler colony of Israel.

And yes, the genocide very much didn't end unfortunately, and it won't end until Isntreal is driven out of the region. But it has been ameliorated. By all accounts, dem supporters constantly were ranting about how "not voting for Kamala worsens the genocide", and this is, factually, not what we're seeing.

Trump has purposefully made the genocide in Ukraine far worse

There isn't genocide in Ukraine, there is an inter-imperialist war going on in Ukraine. Using the label "genocide" to every conflict is very harmful to people like Palestinians who are actively being starved en-masse and kept out of reach of basic medicine, healthcare and even fucking drinking water.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world -3 points 4 days ago (3 children)

There isn’t genocide in Ukraine

When Russia started relocating Ukrainian children into Russian families, that made it a coordinated effort to eliminate a people, which makes it a genocide.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

You mean when they fulfilled their obligations under international law to move children away from active war zones?

Fucking monsters, they didn't even put a wall of them in front of their weapons like true humanitarians in Ukraine.

Most of the claims of relocation of Ukrainian children to Russian families come from the government of Ukraine, not from independent investigative journalism. The Ukrainian government has obvious reasons to do this atrocity propaganda. The Russian government itself justified the start of the war on similar grounds, arguing that Russian ethnics in eastern Ukraine were being genocided by Ukraine through forced Ukrainization and the banning of Russian language. I don't take the Russian government seriously when it makes such claims because I haven't seen much independent journalism confirming it, I apply the same reasoning to the claim of Ukrainian children being kidnapped en-masse and forcibly Russified.

As far as I know, there are only a handful of independently confirmed cases of Ukrainian children being sent to adoptive families in Russia, and most children evacuated by the Russian military have been returned to their families in Ukraine. There aren't many cases of either because, as you may expect, in an attrition war in which the movements of the frontline are slow, there are very few children near the frontlines.