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[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago (3 children)

More importantly, hold musk responsible for the mayhem. They call it "full self driving" when it has not qualified to be called that.

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I agree. However, I also acknowledge that with the US's legal fiction that "Corporations are people," it's unlikely that any CEO will ever be held personally responsible for anything except failing to make enough profit for greedy moneygrubbers.

[–] Neato@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Corporate death penalty. Revoke their corporate charter. No more company.

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 5 points 2 years ago

While I personally agree, under US shareholder-primacy laws, this would likely be impossible in the current era.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's not true. Corporations can't commit crimes because they are just legal entities. People commit crimes.

Your main issue is that many things that you think are crimes (dumping waste, not paying employees, stiffing suppliers, accidents) are not crimes. They are civil or regulatory issues. If you care, you should pick one and lobby your state to make it a crime.

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 13 points 2 years ago

Corporations can’t commit crimes because they are just legal entities.

The US Supreme Court begs to differ:

The list goes on.

[M]any things that you think are crimes (dumping waste, not paying employees, stiffing suppliers, accidents) are not crimes.

Again, the US federal and state governments would like a word. There's not a locale in the country that considers theft and intentional illegal pollution not to be criminal acts with fines and, for natural person, imprisonment as punishments. However, you are correct that accidents are generally not considered crimes, although penalties may still apply if they were the result of carelessness or neglect.

[–] Neato@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

Yeah that's straight fraud. FTC should penalize them for every fsd car sold. And make them liable for each crash when it was enabled.

[–] TheYang@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, it's a beta for "full self driving" and it's really quite easy to argue that it even is capable of doing that. It's just not really close to the required certainty. It propably acts fine in 99%+ of decisions. It's just such a bitch to get that last percent filled in as much as required

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'll clarify, I don't mind it being called FSD beta because that is the end goal, but Elon has tweeted about FSD being "released" and very public accidents have occurred shortly afterwards. He should be adding disclaimers all over, but instead he makes it sound like it's totally safe.