I got banned from the forums after having been considered "too combative" for not taking it lightly that a moderator lectured me on unrelated forum etiquette rules.
I wanted to discuss a legitimate technical issue, which turned out to be coil whine - at the time I did not know it was called that. A community member offered some advice, and I asked them kindly whether they would like to remove a particular question which I've answered in the very previous original post. They became offended by the very suggestion of this and deleted their whole reply, including the useful stuff. The moderator stepped in here and gave me a petty little lecture on all kinds of behavior norms, which I one by one refuted - to no avail, the thread just got locked.
Ok, fresh start. Let's open another topic because I'm not here to bicker - I have an issue to discuss. The new topic got closed within 10 minutes by a mod, threatening me with a ban if I open it again.
I thought that was kinda ridiculous, because I'm a Framework customer and I want to discuss an issue with my laptop, so I opened anothe topic. Sure enough, it got closed and I got banned for a month.
A month has passed, and my problem is still there. One day when I'm browsing the interwebs to understand my issue, I stumble upon another Framework forum post discussing the same thing. My ban being lifted, I jump into the conversation and confirm that I have the same issue, and I share my story of having been banned after trying to discuss this. As you might guess, a mod appears, closes this topic as well, and states that the real reason I've been banned is that I have... wait for it... FREIGHT FORWARDED! And proceeds to permaban me on the spot with the notice "too combative"! What the hell, Framework!!!
I hadn't freight forwarded and I have no possible explanation as to why this mod was jumping at me like that. Anyway, let's take to reddit to complain about this. Quickly, a mob of zealous Framework fans forms, trampling over each other trying to lecture me that freight forwarding is prohibited etc... I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT FREIGHT FORWARDING! I was complaining about a mod accusing me of freight forwarding and banning me for this bogus reason! And guess what - eventually the thread gets shut down after inevitably devolving into a discussion of freight forwarding (to which Framework has a similarly bogus attitude, although that has changed slightly with them conceding to European single market regulations) - the Reddit thread gets locked as well and I get permabanned from the subreddit for "discussing freight forwarding"!
Ever since, I message the mods on Reddit every now and then, reminding them of the utterly crazy way they've been treating me, and the usual response is just a temporary mute so that I can't message them further.
Does anyone else have a similar experience?
Context is important, I can see why you're not including it and are trying to color it by explaining instead of linking.
They literally told you not to engage in moderation discussions after you did once, and you followed that up by tripling down and attacking the mods directly. Ban justified.
Then, (you even admit so) you "jump in" (a 6 month necro) and do it again,, bashing mods and the forum and the product, and discussing your moderation again, all in one post. 2nd ban justified.
They do mention that you have done the shipping thing, which is now hearsay from both sides to us users, and is immaterial to the other bannable offenses honestly.
Muting justified.
Edit: found your reddit, with lots of posts in /r/Hungary, where framework doesn't ship, implying a rather large possibility there was "freight forwarding" in some manner in your case. Not to mention your literal "PSA" thread about freight forwarding, in which you "disclaim" it isn't about that and if we think so we're imagining it...
Reading this is a turbo yikes from me, chief. Much, much worse than OP presents, for obvious reason.
Thanks for doing the legwork.
I gotta say, transforming coil whine into ban whine is almost impressive.
Too bad OP isn't self-aware enough to see why people would want to avoid interacting with them across different platforms.
I read the thread and oh boy.. yeah.
Tbf I also message the mods on self aware wolves just to annoy and harass them over their stupid ways.
I just don’t pretend I am the good guy while doing so.
There's a difference between reacting to contempt with contempt, and simply acting with contempt.
Also, great detective job, Sherlock, I'm deeply involved with Hungarian society, what gives? The problem with your mindset is that at some point you switch into a mode of "finding issues with the person", not engaging with their arguments. My argument is that the mods got mad at me, and for this reason they've blocked me of talking about coil whine, which was my original purpose, and there is no legitimate reason to block me from it.
Also, just because Framework is hostile towards freight forwarding doesn't mean it's a bad thing or an illegal thing to do. In fact, they've conceded to European single market laws which they were previously contemptuously just calling "stipulations". I wasn't doing freight forwarding anyway but I was defending it on a different occasion, why are you bringing this here? Oh, right, because you switched into the "finding issues with the person" mode. Also known as "ad hominem".
Is this the way you talked on the other platforms?
Nope, not at all. I assume you mean the Sherlock remark by "like this". It's immature of me. It's just the reaction to someone lazily digging in my history and presenting open facts about me as revelatory, inculpatory findings. But on the other platforms I was refraining from even such mildly offensive remarks.
Seems like you found plenty of reason to hate me, but you've missed the point entirely. And sorry, if you think people are to be told what discussion to engage in, you're a barbarian to me who ignores the value of free speech.
This is the root of our differences: you believe that my annoying behavior justifies excising me from an online forum, based on an exaggerrated hallucination of potential harm I'm able to do by "attacking" people (NB: I was debating) - while I was trying to discuss a very specific issue with the laptop and was not refraining from engaging in other topics other people brought up (such as my perceived bad behavior).
Free speech is important. Permabanning people is an extreme measure that shouldn't be used except in the most radically problematic cases. Liberally permabanning people because they are annoying goes against civilizational norms. Communities should not support such behavior from companies, this is an outrageous abuse of power.
Free speech is important in public spaces. Online, for the most part, isn't public, it's a network of privately owned systems... You're on someone else's computer, they can do whatever they want with the data you put there. Debate isn't permitted there if they say so (and did in this case) and you agreed to that so they would allow you access to their system. Whether it was "annoying" or not is immaterial. You broke the rules you agreed to. That's it really. You can talk about this literally anywhere but their systems.
I harbor no hate at all, just providing context for your disingenuously framed post. You are definitely a radically problematic case, considering your posts. I don't care what you discuss, but the owners of these systems do.
If I ran a forum, I would definitely want the ability to remove people from my system that are harassing others, by my definition, regardless of what yours may be.
Seems like you're exremely trigger happy to call unpleasant behavior harassment. Harassment in online spaces means incessant abusive communication directed to someone - I was being neither abusive nor incessant. I just didn't take accusations and preaching from an imaginary moral high ground very well.
Of course forums are privately owned. Civil rights such as free speech were fought for and won by previous generations exactly in order to put an end to everything being privately owned and behavior dictated. Seems like these days there is too little awareness of this and people are giving away their rights singingly, defending corporate censorship on the grounds of private property. That's a bonkers attitude if you ask me, calling my unpleasant comments harassment and defending the power and money hungry capitalist machine's rights to control how I can and cannot waste the precious bytes and milliwatts of their servers with my unwanted comments.
To someone who wants to look up information about Framework before making an informed decision whether to buy their products, their forums and the subreddit is public space and we should treat it as such.
They are moderated public spaces, there are plenty of actually public spaces to discuss things.
Coil whine is probably not the most well known thing, but I'm surprised you never tried to Google something about "high pitched computer noises" before posting about it.
I did try to google it, and I didn't actually find out what's going on. My googling skills could be better, I know.
The problem with this argument is you're basically saying "go away". But you're not pointing to any useful locations to go away to. In fact, as I've stated, if a newcomer is looking up information, they are going to look in the official forums and Reddit - here especially Reddit is the problematic one as it looks like an actually public space but it's totally corporate controlled as well.
Of course companies are able to control their forums. But we shouldn't simply accept this as a fact of life and move on. We should demand standards of privately maintained public spaces that don't allow for easy distortion of information in order to generate profit.
Suggesting alternatives is not their responsibility.
That’s what we agree to do by using their systems, though. They provide a service for free, while in exchange, we promise to play by their rules. It’s FAR from ideal, but being disruptive is not the answer.
That would be a fair solution.
Get help, please!
Great argument, I'm saving this for later.
Sadly in 2023, you might be right, but you have to be nice for it to matter.
So you have to either deal with it and be nice, or just don't deal with people in general.
Yes, that's not really freedom of speech, but it's been dead a long time anyway, anyone saying otherwise it's delusional.
Well luckily it's not an animal so it can be resurrected. Seriously though, it begins at public demand for it, and not normalizing abuse of moderation powers.