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I got banned from the forums after having been considered "too combative" for not taking it lightly that a moderator lectured me on unrelated forum etiquette rules.

I wanted to discuss a legitimate technical issue, which turned out to be coil whine - at the time I did not know it was called that. A community member offered some advice, and I asked them kindly whether they would like to remove a particular question which I've answered in the very previous original post. They became offended by the very suggestion of this and deleted their whole reply, including the useful stuff. The moderator stepped in here and gave me a petty little lecture on all kinds of behavior norms, which I one by one refuted - to no avail, the thread just got locked.

Ok, fresh start. Let's open another topic because I'm not here to bicker - I have an issue to discuss. The new topic got closed within 10 minutes by a mod, threatening me with a ban if I open it again.

I thought that was kinda ridiculous, because I'm a Framework customer and I want to discuss an issue with my laptop, so I opened anothe topic. Sure enough, it got closed and I got banned for a month.

A month has passed, and my problem is still there. One day when I'm browsing the interwebs to understand my issue, I stumble upon another Framework forum post discussing the same thing. My ban being lifted, I jump into the conversation and confirm that I have the same issue, and I share my story of having been banned after trying to discuss this. As you might guess, a mod appears, closes this topic as well, and states that the real reason I've been banned is that I have... wait for it... FREIGHT FORWARDED! And proceeds to permaban me on the spot with the notice "too combative"! What the hell, Framework!!!

I hadn't freight forwarded and I have no possible explanation as to why this mod was jumping at me like that. Anyway, let's take to reddit to complain about this. Quickly, a mob of zealous Framework fans forms, trampling over each other trying to lecture me that freight forwarding is prohibited etc... I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT FREIGHT FORWARDING! I was complaining about a mod accusing me of freight forwarding and banning me for this bogus reason! And guess what - eventually the thread gets shut down after inevitably devolving into a discussion of freight forwarding (to which Framework has a similarly bogus attitude, although that has changed slightly with them conceding to European single market regulations) - the Reddit thread gets locked as well and I get permabanned from the subreddit for "discussing freight forwarding"!

Ever since, I message the mods on Reddit every now and then, reminding them of the utterly crazy way they've been treating me, and the usual response is just a temporary mute so that I can't message them further.

Does anyone else have a similar experience?

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[–] Grntrenchman@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

Context is important, I can see why you're not including it and are trying to color it by explaining instead of linking.

They literally told you not to engage in moderation discussions after you did once, and you followed that up by tripling down and attacking the mods directly. Ban justified.

Then, (you even admit so) you "jump in" (a 6 month necro) and do it again,, bashing mods and the forum and the product, and discussing your moderation again, all in one post. 2nd ban justified.

They do mention that you have done the shipping thing, which is now hearsay from both sides to us users, and is immaterial to the other bannable offenses honestly.

I message the mods on Reddit every now and then, reminding them of the utterly crazy way they've been treating me

Muting justified.

Edit: found your reddit, with lots of posts in /r/Hungary, where framework doesn't ship, implying a rather large possibility there was "freight forwarding" in some manner in your case. Not to mention your literal "PSA" thread about freight forwarding, in which you "disclaim" it isn't about that and if we think so we're imagining it...

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Reading this is a turbo yikes from me, chief. Much, much worse than OP presents, for obvious reason.

[–] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks for doing the legwork.
I gotta say, transforming coil whine into ban whine is almost impressive.
Too bad OP isn't self-aware enough to see why people would want to avoid interacting with them across different platforms.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

I read the thread and oh boy.. yeah.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tbf I also message the mods on self aware wolves just to annoy and harass them over their stupid ways.

I just don’t pretend I am the good guy while doing so.

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[–] Hegar@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago (7 children)

It sounds like every step of the way, on multiple sites, everyone you've interacted with has told you they find your tone combative and your behavior unacceptable.

Usually, when everyone around you in multiple different contexts tells you you're wrong, you're probably wrong.

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[–] amio@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

gave me a petty little lecture on all kinds of behavior norms, which I one by one refuted

The fact that you're in here ranting about it, and boasting about "refuting" them, shows maybe they had a point.

That's blunt, but... hey. You were asking someone for help, then looking the gift horse in the mouth, then "refuting" suggestions that it could rub people the wrong way. If people weren't already annoyed, that will definitely do the trick.

Maybe you didn't intend to, I can sympathize somewhat, but that is definitely how it comes across just by reading this.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

Right or wrong. You're clearly a very combative person.

  1. You're here litigating the issue. 2. In your original post you rebutted each of your warning points. 3. You made a new post, also talking about how your last post was deleted. 4. And then in a different thread when you were responding with a comment, you also mentioned that you were previously twice deleted. 5. You're not talking about coil whine even now.

I suspect if you made a fresh post, after a bit of cool down time, and only talked about coil whine and. didn't mention anything at all regarding your previous moderator interactions. IE not being meta... It would have been fine.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong, you could be right. But needing to be right invites conflict.

Honestly, especially on the internet, nobody cares if you were treated unfairly in the past and have emotional baggage, doubly so on technical forums.

Stay focused on the topic (the technology), start every interaction fresh giving people the benefit of the doubt and you will have a good time.

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[–] snowe@programming.dev 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yikes. Literally everything you said here is a red flag and then someone went and provided links to your behavior to solidify those red flags. Please stop treating those that just try to help you in that manner. It’s incredibly rude and hurtful.

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[–] blindsight@beehaw.org 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

So, not sure how to say this on the Internet with kind intentions coming through, but that's my intent.

All of the above sounds completely reasonable on part of the mods. Community norms are incredibly important for maintaining community cohesion. Unmoderated descend into hate speech remarkably quickly.

Essentially, someone helped you then asked a clarifying question. Instead of kindly saying "thank you! I think I answered that in the OP when I said [quote], but let me know if that's not what you mean!" it sounds like you were a jerk to someone who was volunteering their time to help you.

Then a mod comes and tells you not to be a jerk to the volunteers helping you, and you try to "rules lawyer" the mod.

In the new thread did you mention that your previous thread was closed for no reason? If so, completely reasonable it was closed. Even if not, I think the mod's mistake was not giving you a temporary ban immediately for being a jerk and not following community norms, not for deleting your second identical thread where you're likely to be combative again.

I could go on, but at every turn you have blamed other people for shutting you down. The only common denominator here is you.

Tone is very hard to read over the Internet, so miscommunications and misreading intent is very common. This means that being misinterpreted is the norm in the Internet, and isn't personal. Just kindly clarify your intent/meaning and move on. There's no point arguing over the Internet, especially with someone in charge of policing content who doesn't have any shits to give about replying to a wall of text telling them they don't know what they're doing.

Being a customer didn't give you any special privileges or rights to ignore community norms and rules.

Take a break and try to be more kind next time.

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[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You might want to delete this post so you don't clutter this discussion board.

After reading the context posted in the comments, which you obviously neglected to link for very obvious reasons, your "censorship" is 100% justified.

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[–] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago

https://community.frame.work/t/extremely-high-pitched-constant-sound-coming-from-laptop/29861

I didn't think it would be that bad but holy lols

Tl;Dr op is an insufferable prick and rightly gets shut down by the mods every time he tries to stir the pot again.

[–] rhacer@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

When one person is an asshole, there's a good possibility they're an asshole. When everyone is an asshole, it's time to look in the mirror, because you are likely the asshole.

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[–] stickmanmeyhem@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be clear, it does sound odd that you were originally banned from the forum for talking about freight forwarding… but beyond that, YTA.

You deserved everything for being a total dick to the first person who helped you, and then going on a tirade against the mods.

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[–] LunchEnjoyer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Never read about someone as arrogant and stubborn as this guy... Seriously dude, chill for a while and rethink the situation and approach . You're attacking every single person commenting on this post, this isn't natural behavior and is why you're being outed for it.

Take a breather. And reset.

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[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago

Being kind and courteous to others goes a long way to getting assistanc. Most forum users are not company employees. If support is not available in your country, you are dependent on these volunteers and it would be pragmatic to set aside your perceived grievences to get the help that you are seeking.

Remember that you are not entitled to any assistance from forum users, such as those that tried to figure out your issue. Nor are you entitled to use a privately-owned community forum - it is not violating free speech to require decorum, even in public forums in most jurisdictions. And, as for support, you are only entitled to what is in your contract or that which is afforded in the laws governing the company's business.

[–] ratman150@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is fairly concerning behavior but might I ask what the original issue was?

Disclaimer: I do not yet have a framework nor have I even begun the ordering process. I'm awaiting solid reviews on the Framework 16. I am just a random nerd.

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[–] the_q@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Have you ever been tested for autism?

[–] CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

As someone who is neurodivergent, that is pretty offensive. Many autists have empathy, awareness and courtesy. Traits not demonstrated by OP.

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[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know why you would come here thinking it would be different after you were ostracized from all those other communities...

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