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[–] noride@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Putin was proposing to freeze the conflict at the current lines and was unwilling to cede any of the Ukrainian territory controlled by Russia..."

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If Russia’s asking for a ceasefire it means they don’t believe they can get any further, and have a chance of losing territory.

But freezing the borders now sets a precedent that an invading nation is allowed to steal any territory they can control. They’ll just do it again in 10-20 years, just like last time.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Russia’s asking for a ceasefire it means they don’t believe they can get any further, and have a chance of losing territory.

Well, not at this second. They want to consolidate their gains, regroup and rearm, and in a few years press the attack again for more territory.

We've already seen this once, in Ukraine. Take Crimea, sue for peace. Regroup, rearm. "Little Green Men" in Donetsk and Luhansk, sue for peace. Regroup, rearm. Press on for Zaporizhia, Kharkiv, Kherson, and Kyiv. Except that last push didn't go so well so we're back to the "sue for peace" step.

Moskovites are have demonstrated they are untrustworthy in agreements with Ukraine. This is even ignoring the entire Budapest Memorandum.

Give up your nukes, and we won't attack you.

Attacks you

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

I really hope this means they're running out of will to fight.