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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
 

The discourse on American politics sometimes devolves to "Leftists who won't vote" & "MAGA Republicans" teaming up to "getting revenge on liberals".

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[–] LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nope, it's actually a vote for a third party. Vote for Biden is a vote for Trump. See how dumb that sounds?

[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

A third party has literally no chance of winning. By voting for a third party or abstaining from voting, you are taking a vote away from Biden and thereby aiding Trump.

If you’re too ignorant to understand that, then I can’t help you

The fact that you’d rather let Trump win to stick it to Biden than try to prevent literal fascists from taking over our nation says a lot about you as a person.

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

you are taking a vote away from Biden

it's my vote to give and it's biden's vote to earn. it's not like he doesn't know what cornel west voters want. he just doesn't care to earn that vote.

[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So you’d rather let Trump win, got it.

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

no. you're putting words in my mouth.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You both have valid and correct feelings on the matter, and that is the tragedy.

Cornel West earned your vote, Biden didn't. However, if Cornel earns enough votes, both liberals and leftists are going to have to look at the prospect of having to take our antifascism off screen.

You have the luxary of voting third party, but do queer people? Do people fighting for women's healthcare? Even people fighting for Palestinian liberation have to ensure Biden wins.

I think that is something Cornel West and his followers should at least be talking amongst themselves about.

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 11 months ago (16 children)

You have the luxary of voting third party, but do queer people

you don't know my identity.

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[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Even people fighting for Palestinian liberation have to ensure Biden wins

no. we have to ensure the safety of the palestinian peopl and their liberation regardless of what happens november 2

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

When trump wins with your help, what are you going to be doing to help Palestinian people?

It will be too late, won't it?

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

what are you going to be doing to help Palestinian people?

same thing i do now. agitate, educate, organize.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What specifically does any of that mean?

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

i don't talk about my personal organizing here. go find an org and help out.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are you accusing me of being uncharitable towards others because I asked you to clarify what you meant?

Uhm, OK.

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Are you accusing me of being uncharitable towards others

no. i'm telling you that's the best way to find out what i do.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can you please just do 1 response to 1 statement? This comment chain is going to grow exponentially if I respond to each thing that could have really just been 1 message to prevent repeating.

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

i don't like walls of text. if you don't want to talk to me, please don't

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago
[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How can I find out what you do if you refuse to tell me what organization I should go to?

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

you will have better luck blindly joining leftist orgs than asking me for more details here.

[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Great, and what are you going to say to all of the LGBT folk who get legislated out of existence because of your failure to protect them?

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I do what I can to protect vulnerable people. I don't believe voting accomplishes that.

[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Voting third party is no vote at all. Therefore you are refusing to combat Trump, and so are complicit in his victory if it happens.

You are just as much to blame as the Reps if he wins.

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

any vote that is not for trump is a vote against trump

[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

False. If you do not vote Biden, you are throwing away a vote against Trump. Voting third party is no vote at all.

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago
[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

this is election misinformation. my vote must be counted just like everyone else.

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You are just as much to blame as the Reps if he wins.

no. everyone is only responsible for their own actions. I'll be voting against trump

[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Then vote Biden, or you’re not voting at all. Third party means nothing.

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

this is election misinformation. my vote must be counted like anybody else.

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago
[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

i won't be helping trump win. i'll be voting against him.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The only way in the US system to throw a protest vote without it being a spoiler vote is to vote for the 3rd party which siphons votes from the candidate you want the least.

So since you prefer Biden over Trump, you should be voting for the libertarian candidate instead of West.

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago

So since you prefer Biden over Trump, you should be voting for the libertarian candidate instead of West.

this makes no sense. i am going to vote for the candidate i want to win.

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago

without it being a spoiler vote is to vote for the 3rd party which siphons votes

this is a lie. the votes don't belong to biden. they belong to me. if i give it to someone, it's not taking it from anyone else.

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

only way in the US system to throw a protest vote

voting isn't a protest, so this term makes no sense.