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Summary

Trump and Zelenskyy's confrontational Oval Office meeting advanced "mob boss foreign policy" serving Russian interests.

Trump and Vance bullied Zelenskyy when he refused their "extortionate" minerals deal or to thank them despite Trump's stated intent to reduce support for Ukraine.

Zelenskyy effectively countered their claims by noting Russia's 2014 invasion and correcting historical inaccuracies, which angered the Americans.

This represents the first openly “anti-US, anti-Western, anti-democracy foreign policy in American history.” Russians embraced it, and Putin ally and former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev celebrated the exchange.

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[–] ben_dover@lemmy.world 2 points 18 minutes ago

at this point, the rest of the world should start phasing out and blocking anything American. can't rely on the looney bin for critical infrastructure.

The united states is a clown of a country for three decades.

[–] jmsy@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago

half the voting population thinks trump did humiliate zelensky

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 35 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The idea that Zelensky should owe the US anything is darkly hilarious. The US has been using this war to further its own geopolitical aims, without regard for Ukrainian lives. "Pay us back for the privilege of being a sacrificial pawn of US foreign policy". Gross.

[–] asdfbla@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

To add to that: Even from a purely military perspective, the intelligence gain regarding modern tactics far offsets what the US paid for it

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

There is so much in this direction. For a fraction of the budget, you could obliterate both the Russian army and economy, without losing any soldiers. What an opportunity, what a deal. Unless you're owned by Russia, of course.

[–] Elkot@lemmy.world 49 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

America humiliated itself by voting this orange twat back in

[–] Godthrilla@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

We tried not to, I promise you. Our voting system is ...problematical, at best

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 1 points 45 minutes ago

So is social media, and the openness of free societies to internal (the rich owning the media) and external (foreign adversaries) tampering. Spreading misinformation, eroding trust in institutions and truth itself, poisons like that.

Many democracies are crumbling this way. We yet have to find an effective antidote.

Regardless of the voting system, there still is a worryingly large portion of voters who were corrupted to serve other's interests. And that is true to all (?) countries. That not just any two democracies fall first, but GB and US, kind of shows us that it could be anyone.

So while it is easy to look down on the fallen, or feel ashamed to be that - we're helpless in this together. Hate to end like that.

[–] liuther9@feddit.nl 3 points 4 hours ago

Illusion of choice

[–] DTguess@lemmy.ca 12 points 11 hours ago

The U.S. citizens bought the ticket now it's time to take the ride.

[–] roofTophopper@lemmy.world 19 points 15 hours ago

100% knew this shit would happen. Knew he was going to take this all as some massive win. His cronies probably all patted him on the back and gladly licked his nuts.

[–] iiinnnn@lemm.ee 9 points 19 hours ago

He doesn’t think it, Krasnov simply knows he has to keep repeating that talking point to get people that haven’t seen the “discussion” to side with him. Why this talking point instead of another? Using the same criticism against the other side turns it into a matter of whose word those people value more to begin with. It’s him relying on his popularity. Those that don’t value Krasnov more (that also haven’t seen it) could potentially be swayed to at least think both sides were in the wrong.

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