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According to former United States general Ben Hodges, the withdrawal of US troops from Europe is only a matter of time. In an interview with SonntagsBlick, he advises Switzerland to prepare for war.

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[–] Sicsurfer@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

This is blatant fear mongering, russia can’t even defeat the Ukraine. How the fuck do they manage a second front?

[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago

It's unfortunate that we've configured our world like this, with rival nation states and militaries vying for supremacy. In reality, the conflict is between humans and militarism. Militarism will kill us all, in one way or another.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 8 points 7 hours ago

Switzerland been preparing for war since 1648.

[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 2 points 6 hours ago

Basically: Si vis pacem, para bellum

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 25 points 15 hours ago

If Putin had any desire to conquer Switzerland, all I'll say is good luck. They're:

  • Heavily fortified, with hundreds of bunkers dotting the countryside
  • Highly mountainous, which would heavily slow down a ground invasion.
  • One of the few states to still practice mandatory military service.
  • Pretty lax with gun ownership, to the point where citizens have a statutory duty to bear arms in the event of an invasion.
  • A substantial player in the banking sector with many oligarchs using their service. Any freeze they'd put on Russian assets would likely go above and beyond what NATO and the EU managed, just because of how synonymous their banks are with the wealthy. They would probably send the Russian economy into freefall long before they could even get anywhere near Zurich.
  • Surrounded from all sides by NATO and EU member states, and would likely have plenty of time to prepare their own forces in the unlikely event that Russia mounts a full-scale invasion and takes over the rest of Europe.
[–] Suoko@feddit.it 13 points 20 hours ago

Make him a present, some winter vacations in Switzerland and some summer ones in Italy. Cool those US guys down, down to the bottom of earth

[–] Prime_Minister_Keyes@lemm.ee 24 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Tangentially related, he once said: "I had a German tell me one time, he said, the two pillars for us are NATO and the EU. NATO is for life, EU is for quality of life." I wonder how that'll play out in the near future.
EDIT: corrected link.

[–] ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 8 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Has the USA ever won a war?

[–] VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 hours ago

I'm see to recall a pretty successful one against the British...

[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 32 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, they win most of them. They mostly lose when they try to occupy a foreign country and do counterinsurgency.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

[–] Devanismyname@lemmy.ca 11 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Counter insurgency is tough to overcome. As you kill insurgents, more insurgents pop up because the initially killed insurgents were their family and friends. The only way to do it is to rule with an iron fist.

[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I disagree that there is any way to do it. Ultimately, people don't want you there and are unhappy enough that they're willing to die rather than cooperate. It is simply too expensive in terms of man hours, lives, and money to keep a population under occupation like that. At the very least, you need to do as the colonial powers did and exploit a local division to deputize some of the locals to rule on your behalf.

[–] Devanismyname@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

The Mongolians did it. Rome did it. History is littered with countless examples of one nation overcoming another.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

Every war they've ever declared. They just haven't declared war since WW2

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Desert Shield/Storm and Panama were overwhelmingly sucessful military operations because they had clear, achievable objectives. George HW Bush was a bastard, but his team could execute a military mission.

[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Also, the Iranian army didnt fight back because they didnt want to. Some even asked, "what took you so long?..."

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 3 points 7 hours ago
[–] Raylon@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago (10 children)

If anyone is interested in the state of things in Switzerland:

Our defense is in chaos right now. A scandal in our state-owned but public weapons manufacturer just broke a few weeks ago and shortly after the secretary of the departement of defense announced her resignation. We will see if the newly elected one will improve the situation.

The army is generally seen as somewhat of a joke, especially by people who served, which is more than half of all Swiss men. We like to call it a "Pfadiverein" (boy scouts association).

Even with all that, the right wing parties want to give a shitload more money to defense, and cut costs in social spending and foreign aid to compensate. Left of centre the need to improve defense is also accepted, but 1) before the army gets more money, they need to get their shit together and 2) more important than the army itself is integration with the european security Infrastructure (the left parties are also very pro-EU). The centre politicians usually mix blth stances and lean more one or the other way.

Also we still stand to buy fighter jets from the US, and only the left parties are calling to cancel the deal.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago

If it makes you feel any better, we have a joke in Austria that we might as well not have an army, because we border 1) NATO, 2) Switzerland, and if either of those become a threat, we might as well capitulate immediately.

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