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[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 15 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

USA has always been corrupt. What's chocking is the brazenness of this administration. Former administrations at least had the decency to do it in the shadows.

[–] ugtug@lemm.ee 42 points 22 hours ago

Satellite internet is simply never going to best the throughput and stability of fiber. Just another corrupt action so this administration can line their pockets.

Wow I’m shocked. This is my shocked face.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 177 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I think the bigger headline should be the huge conflict of interest between Musk being a megadonor and "advisor" / leader of DOGE (depending on if you ask Trump or his minions) and being the CEO of Starlink owner SpaceX.

Add it to the list including lease of Starlink services and kits to the FAA.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago

In a just world they would be publicly executed for blatantly grifting 300million+ people.

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's called crony capitalism

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 20 hours ago

It's called Late Stage Capitalism, converting and eating itself into fascism.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Since citizens united, the notion of this type of conflict of interest is a theoretical talking point

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[–] DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And it totally won't be monitored or censored ... promise! /s

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago (4 children)

There is absolutely no reason the US government shouldn't be launching their own public satellite internet.

Look at North Korea. People get killed for smuggling in flash drives with western media into the country. We could be streaming it from uninterruptible satellites. We could be fighting the global information war on a level most other countries could only dream of.

On the domestic end, if we get Internet access to every corner of the country, it opens up remote work to every American. That could bring an incredible economic boost to impoverished rural areas.

[–] NotSerious@lemm.ee 3 points 8 hours ago

We are losing the information war at home. Why would we wish our terrible misinformation on anyone else? They’d turn this into a news max global broadcast system.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

Trump shut down Radio Free Asia. And Radio Free Europe, and Voice of America. I don't think he cares about getting the message out there.

And as far as a public Internet? Have you met the US? We can't deliver electricity or water without someone making a profit on each unit of energy or water delivered. It's unamerican. Why would satellite Internet be any different?

[–] F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah amigo, I get that'd be amazing but you think the government would want highly educated populace here and everywhere? and with free access to all kinds of information?

Yeah right...

[–] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago

Sadly, I think it's been established that access to the internet doesn't make people more educated.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago

I would much rather see Europe doing it.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 45 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Starlink makes sense on the top of mountain. If you have electricity from the grid, you should get fiber.

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 99 points 1 day ago (3 children)

As someone that lives in the rural US and has no option for internet besides Starlink, I'd much rather have fiber. Starlink isn't bad, but it's garbage compared to fiber.

Plus I don't want to give Elmo my money. I really wish I had other options.

[–] nomugisan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Connect yourselves. Telecom Cooperatives have a long and successful history in developing rural telecommunications

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 9 points 22 hours ago

My grandmother’s rural electric coop laid down fiber to most homes they service to. She has faster Internet than me in town.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 19 hours ago

Fiber is amazing. I paid $90 for 400 down and 10 up on cable... Then moved to a place with fiber. My fiber is now $49 for 1,000 down and 1,000 up.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You’re lucky you get any channels besides Fox News. Keep complaining and you’ll go back to dialup ;) ;) ;)

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You straight up don't even get dial-up in some of these parts

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 4 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Wouldn't 4G make more sense for most rural locations, its not like its a single house with nothing for 1000 miles in all directions

[–] GnomishGiant@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago

It's so rural in my area that you will not get cell signals out here. 4g isn't an option. The best we can get is either satellite or 1mb dsl.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I'm in a rural town (less than 2k population), and we still have fucking DSL offerings available. It's wild. 4G expanded out here right before covid, but it's still really spotty and there's too many users for the tower's broadband, so it's actually kinda slow.

To the users yes, or coax(DOCSIS), how they get to the Internet doesn't really matter, the challenge for rural communities is how they connect to the urban networks(backhaul).

A lot of rural towns are actually serviced by wireless point to point radios. They have some impressive throughput capabilities but nowhere near what fiber can provide. Also, they are affected by environmental factors like weather or wildlife (https://youtu.be/cZkAP-CQlhA)

ISPs don't really want to spend millions of dollars to run fiber through mountains to service a town of 4 or 5 thousand people, it would be a poor investment, this is where government programs like above can be useful in then allowing that town or region to have better Internet.

They can probably make the argument that starlink is cheaper but it's not a long term solution.

[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It sucks to even be in partial agreement with the broligarchs, but as a rural American, I have zero sympathy for this fuckhead or anyone else involved in the broadband fund.

The government has been pouring money into broadband expansion for decades, and for decades, internet providers have been sopping up that money while doing exactly nothing to actually earn it.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, we could tell them to pay back the money, or force them to make upgrades. But, its easier to just award contracts to starlink.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

We certainly can't make them pay the money back. That could affect executive bonuses and stock plans as well corporate stock buybacks to drive up stock prices! Won't you think of the executives! ^/s^

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuck Elon, but also fuck Comcast.

[–] glitch1985@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

Woah now. AT&T deserves plenty of fucking also.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah there aren't any good guys to root for here.

[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is absolutely a far lesser of two evils here, though.

Comcast sucks, but they’re not actively dismantling our institutions.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're too busy masturbating to the sound of us groaning at their hold music and screaming at their reps.

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[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

It's not all a story of failure, because there are numerous rural areas that have fiber now that did not before those programs. Some states have added on programs that boost the fiber adoption, like letting local phone and power companies roll out fiber on utility poles along the power lines. For example, I'm in a rural area and have 2 good options for fiber for about $50/mo with higher tier plans available.

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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Regardless of the obvious moneygrab corruption, It's not like the fiber program was ever going to work in the first place as long as private ISP's were involved.

Fiber backbone got installed along 25 miles of rural county highway out in the valley my parents live in. The company paid to do it marks the area as "service coming soon".
That was in 2018. The fiber is still dark with all the distribution boxes empty and not hooked up to anything, the only other options being $110/mo DSL in a very few select spots, a local mountaintop microwave wireless service that is basically turned off from November until April, or Starlink... and I'm guessing it'll forever remain that way until the coming collapse of the USA.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I never expected the US to go down this way...

[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 5 points 20 hours ago

There were signs

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Really?? They have been shouting it from the topnof their lungs since Reagan

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