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And before anyone makes a cheeky "what do you need this for 🀨" comment, I'm a writer. I'm not going to murder anyone I promise, I just want to write a scene where one guy gets poisoned.

I need something that doesn't require modern technology to extract/produce, and would make sense to be avaible in a place with a temperate to mediterranean climate. The slower, the better. Does a plant or something like that exist or do I need to make one up?

Update: I looked into death cap mushrooms and they might be just what I'm looking for! Long reaction time, and being dried doesn't make them less toxic! (the scene takes place in midwinter so no fresh ones would be avaible) If anyone has more info on them, please do share.

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[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 111 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

In almost every case in fictional writing it's better to make up a poison then use a real one. That way you don't have someone picking it apart later. Also you can give it whatever properties you want/need. Now excuse me while I continue to work on my immunity to iocane powder.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 57 points 6 days ago (5 children)

They're gonna pick it apart anyway. A reader criticized the historical accuracy of a fantasy novel my sister wrote.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

H-how does one even criticise something like that? Like, "you got this and that wrong about the world you made up"?

[–] monarch@lemm.ee 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I have read some novels where their history straight up breaks if you think about it for too long. Not saying this happened in this case but I read a fantasy novel that had a history that implied that people existed in the wrong times. Like this person was said to have died in X year yet someone met someone who was born in X+100 years.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not even that, (in a medieval-fantsy setting) one criticized the use of archer for defense, another wanted for her to write the exact years the events happened... Another one asked why one nation had an italian-sounding name, while the bordering countries had foreign-like names, and different languages! (hello, ever been to Europe?) @monarch@lemm.ee (is this how I mention someone?)

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[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, best just to ignore pedantry, it’s a mental illness.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 14 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Mental illnesses are very clearly defined, for example in the ICD-10 puplished by the WHO. Pedantry is defnetly not listed in there.

And yes, this was an attempt of humour.

[–] TheRealKuni@midwest.social 5 points 5 days ago

Bravo. Well done.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I knew a guy I was working summers with in college. Said he did not like roger rabbit because it was unrealistic.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 66 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Alcohol. Sometimes it takes 30 or 40 years to be effective. Not very good for murder, but wildly popular for suicide.

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[–] casualfribsday@lemmy.world 53 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I’m neither a writer nor a scientist, but there’s a copy of this on my bookshelf and I wish I could lend it to you: Deadly Doses: The Writer’s Guide to Poisons

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 5 days ago

I've heard something about writers writing about guns -- if you describe a specific gun they'll come at you for being wrong, but if you say something like "a modified Kalashnikov" you're conveying the image you want, and the nerds will do the work for you in figuring out how it could have been modified.

[–] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

Depending on your setting and desired outcome for the poisoner, uraninite (aka pitchblende) might be an option. It has historical uses in glass making and pottery glazing, which could provide justification for why someone would have it.

It contains Uranium, which is radioactive, but I don't believe will bioaccumulate, but can build up on surfaces, tools, and clothing providing a source of long-term radiation exposure. In addition, it contains lead, which does bioaccumulate, providing a source of gradual long term poisoning as well as radium which also bioaccumulates and is radioactive, providing an additional source of longterm radiation exposure.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Mushrooms are a good option, and you can just make up a species if you want specific time frames/symptoms. Mushrooms can cause a lot of weird symptoms.

There's also a brain eating amoeba or other sickness from still water (people back in the day were very aware of tainted water).

If you have access to polar animals, a unique poisoning would be vitamin A toxicity from their livers. It's a horrific way to die, though (skin sloughing off).

[–] d3m0nr4v3r@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] truxnell@infosec.pub 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Ongoing case here in Australia with a lady accused of murdering her ex and ex-inlaws. Invites them to lunch of beef Wellington and death cap mushrooms.

3 died fairly awful deaths in the following days/weeks, 1 survived after intensive care.

Accused of trying to murder the ex 4 prior times too.

The "Mushroom lady" case absolutely captivated us for weeks

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

Ex-spouse: (on the phone with parents) My ex-wife has invited us over for beef wellington.

Ex-spouse's parents: Hasn't she tried to kill you like four times before? Why would you accept this invitation?

Ex-spouse: well her beef wellington is to die for!

Ex-spouse's parents: Well that's good enough for us, were in see you a 6

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[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm a writer

"A writer" πŸ˜‰

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 33 points 6 days ago

hey guys, i am looking to write an obituary for my ex husband....

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Theoretically speaking... Do you need an alibi as well? Just for the book of course.

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[–] ornery_chemist@mander.xyz 9 points 5 days ago

Arsenic is a classic murder poison. It's been known since anciemt times, though possibly unsuited to your onset requirement. Acute poisoning by ingestion is generally within a few hours, but if your character sustains lower doses over time, you could probably draw out the timeline to whatever you wanted. It would be obvious that the character is unwell during this time, but the symptoms aren't super specific and could be confused with e.g. food poisoning.

Or just invent a mushroom like others said. The toxins are diverse enough that I doubt anyone would be too upset if you tuned it exactly to your timeline and desired symptoms.

What do you mean by slow? Time till symptoms? time till death? Hours? Days? Weeks?

Raw castor beans contain ricin its a cool looking plant that gets big. My neighbor grew on once accidentally.

symptoms commonly begin within two to four hours, but may be delayed by up to 36 hours.

Unless treated, death can be expected to occur within 3–5 days; however, in most cases a full recovery can be made.

Actually a lot of beans are toxic when raw, but not deadly. Raw lima beans are special though; they contain something that the human body breaks down into cyanide. No clue how long that takes or how many it would take to cause harm.

Heavy metals (mercury, arsenic, cadmium, lead) are known for building up over time with many exposures. Think mad hatter syndrome, etc. but exposures can also be acute if high enough. IIRC acute arsenic poisoning makes you vomit and diarrhea until you die of dehydration after days or weeks.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As a writter you should get enough details wrong that someone trying to follow your recipie fails. Ideally they are also caught.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That'd require someone to actually read my stuff.

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[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 17 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Whole maybe not β€œpoisons” by definition I have a couple scary stories of people working in damp, moldy office and basement environments and after a couple years getting rare autoimmune and neurological disorders that killed them. One being my uncle, my family tried to get his workplace to test where he worked because the doctors said that’s most likely where he contracted it, but they refused. We weren’t looking for money, just trying to save the next guy. I was fairly young when this happened so I don’t remember all the details.

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[–] rosco385@lemm.ee 11 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Apple seeds contain cyanide. You'd have to crush and eat anywhere from 150 to a few thousand seeds for it to be fatal though. I'm sure that hasn't stopped authors from using it before.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"Honey, I've made your favorite meal! Crushed up pulp from 150 to a few thousand apple seeds!"

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[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

How slow are you talking? Days? Weeks? months?

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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Thallium was pretty famous for this until its mechanism of toxicity and antidotes were better understood. Slow acting, tasteless, odorless, colorless, symptoms weird and mimic other things. Used to be used for rat poison but the risk of accidental exposure was too high. Requires late 1800s technology.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 days ago

Yeah, in a historic setting, use something readers will recognize, as well. Arsenic, Mercury, that kind of thing. They've been used as a poison, and have accidentally poisoned, for so long that they're tropes of their own. Both of those in specific were available in the region you're using.

Plus, they're going to be really easy to describe the actions of, and don't require medical knowledge to understand the effects of. Well, the stuff that's going to be useful to show on page anyway, the stuff that happens inside organs might take a little.

[–] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 10 points 6 days ago
  • Heavy metals: lead, mercury
  • Arsenic in small doses over a long period

I don’t know of any plants, but I do know that the leaves of nightshades (potato, tomato, eggplant, capsicum, tobacco) are ~~poisonous~~ toxic in large doses.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago (9 children)

I'm thinking metal poisoning over time. Lead or copper, for example.

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[–] sabin@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Source of radiation given to someone to hold in their wallet/pocket

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

how slow acting? As in months, or as in time to get the fuck outta dodge?

Ricin will kill you in a couple of days, was first extracted in 1888, and the plant grows in the mediterranean.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Like takes at least a day or more for the poisoned character to notice.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_phalloides

you also get points for historical accuracy, as it was used as far back as ancient rome

also, how low tech is low tech? Litvinenko was dying for three weeks after polonium poisoning, and radium will have similar effects, first extracted 1898

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Dimethylmercury.

Two drops will kill you in a few months and nothing can be done. It penetrates clothing, regular latex gloves, and skin very easily and unnoticed.

Pretty terrifying stuff. Not sure you’d be able to figure out availability or production in your plot, but as far as poisons go you’d be set for time between dose and death.

[–] brokenlcd@feddit.it 11 points 6 days ago

For that i think having a read about acqua tofana would be a pretty good source of inspiration, since it was designed to have effects like an illness. it originates in italy so most of it's ingredients are by default from a mediterran climate.

Or if you want something natural without too mutch human processing, belladonna is a surefire, but not slow acting.

[–] nadram@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Mistletoe berries i think. Otherwise mercury depending on dosage.

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[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Apple seeds contain cyanide, simply crushing them will release the poison and it can be added to something else, although it's not very slow.

There's also the Destroying Angel/Death Cap mushroom, whose symptoms can take up to a day to even start, by which point the toxins have been incorporated and destruction of liver and kidney tissue is irreversible. They also contain toxins that can cause severe DNA damage, making it so your body can no longer repair itself after exposure, and you slowly die cell by cell.

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 days ago

Time. It's very slow but will get them in the end.

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