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I've used proton for a year or two now and it is fine. Great for use on my phone when I want to use public/airport wifi and it sort of kind of works with gluetun (the rotating port is annoying but it still is a forwarded port).

But I've increasingly been annoyed with Proton as a company and am looking to migrate my email/domain to fastmail in the very near future. I COULD continue to just pay for the vpn (60 USD a year is pretty reasonable) but also feel like this is a good opportunity to "shop around"

Checked the wiki and other FAQs (which all basically crib from said wiki) and they all basically boil down to proton or mullivad... except that mullivad apparently stopped allowing port forwarding which is a bit of an issue for any torrents and the like.

So are there any other good options?

Thanks

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[–] marauding_gibberish142@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Mullvad, IVPN and ~~Nym~~ (not tested with audits yet, do not trust as much as the other two).

For clearnet browsing. PIA, AirVPN and Windscribe for torrenting. Windscribe and PIA are probably good for either but this is my classification, take it as you will

[–] sonalder@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree on this with the exception of PIA.

  • Marketing is BS like most VPN
  • Company is based in the USA
  • They do analytics
  • You cannot register "anonymously"

It's not the worst VPN you could choose but there is better options.

[–] marauding_gibberish142@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wait don't they take crypto? Just fake your details

[–] khorovodoved@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (6 children)
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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

PIA user here. It gets the job done

[–] khorovodoved@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I would not put Nym in the same category as Mullvad and IVPN. It is a new and immature product. I have not heard that they have passed any sort of audit, their claims about non-log policy have not been tested yet.

Their infrastructure is decentralized only in name. In fact, they have the same problem as session, the cost of maintaining a server discourages decentralization so much that no one does that. As a result it nullifies any advantages their mixnet might offer, as chances are all your hops are between the servers of the same owner.

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[–] droolio@feddit.uk 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Still using Private Internet Access (PIA).

Honestly, dunno why they've fallen out of fashion due to the FUD about being owned by an unsavoury parent company, but the most important matter to me is if they keep logs, which they don't. One of the few VPN companies tested on this, in court, and in a recent audit. Plus still extremely cheap (if you go for 3yr+3mo).

Port forwarding works with with this docker NAS stack. Doesn't use gluetun, but there's a specialised docker-wireguard-pia container as part of the stack, with a script that handles port changes. Been flawless.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago

Yeah they are throroughly vetted and work well, competitively priced. I've never seen a reason to switch.

[–] AHorseWithNoNeigh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm using gluetun with PIA and it works like a charm. Gluetun even has a template on their GitHub.

[–] marauding_gibberish142@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Can you link to their court hearing, specifically where they refused to provide logs?

Also, do they accept crypto?

[–] land@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If you mainly do torrenting, AirVPN is a good option. I have recently moved away from ProtonVPN; it’s too expensive.

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[–] zedgeist@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Just throwing in another voice for PIA. Their corporate owners may be questionable, but I've been with them since before they sold out and have never heard a peep from my ISP for seeding terabytes of torrents. They don't keep logs, and they are audited to prove it regularly.

EDIT: They also have port forwarding, but not for every exit server.

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[–] upstroke4448@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'd say the proven good ones are Proton, Mullvad, and IVPN.

Windscribe has really improved a lot and is worth considering. Still probably worth waiting for Freshscribe infrastructure before considering over the 3 I mentioned above.

Nym and Obscura are up and comers worth looking at. Nym is a decentralized VPN and Obscura has partnered with Mullvad to offer a true double hop (ie one in where both hops are not owned by the same entity).

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[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If you want port forwarding the choice is between AirVPN, ProtonVPN and Njalla. Iirc PIA also supports port forwarding, but their ownerships reputation is no good.

Mullvad, IVPN and many other services don't support port forwarding.

[–] marauding_gibberish142@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why do we care about their ownership if it's proven that they don't log and let you forward ports?

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 week ago

Given there're alternatives I'd rather choose an independent service instead.

But that's a personal decision which is why I mentioned PIA with the disclaimer, instead of ignoring them.

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[–] Tiger@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I use both Mullvad and Astrill in China. A lot of VPNs don’t work here so it’s a feather in the cap for these that do.

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[–] liliumstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

I'm with Azire, they have port forwarding and 10 gig servers. Note they were bought recently by malwarebytes, so it is possible things will change in the future. For the time being, things have been great. I moved from OVPN after myself and others started experiencing persistant failures.

I've been meaning to try out CryptoStorm. If anyone has experience with them please share.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I have been happy with PrivateVPN, but I can't get a read on them.

They say no-log, but many VPNs probably lie about that. Small, based in Sweden.

I just saw on the kumo app literally just now that they got bought out by Miss Group and are no longer independent like when I started with them in 2019.

They have no strikes against them besides the not-disclosed buyout. No idea if I should switch, but they have good prices and port forwarding.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

not-disclosed buyout

That alone would make me jump ship. VPNs need to be transparent about this kind of shit to their paying users.

Edit: FYI, this is in the works https://webhosting.today/2025/01/15/miss-group-prepares-for-sale-what-lies-ahead-for-the-nordic-hosting-giant/

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