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Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government (lemmy.world)
submitted 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) by boramalper@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world
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Original post: https://bsky.app/profile/ssg.dev/post/3lmuz3nr62k26

Email from Bluesky in the screenshot:

Hi there,

We are writing to inform you that we have received a formal request from a legal authority in Turkey regarding the removal of your account associated with the following handle (@carekavga.bsky.social) on Bluesky.

The legal authority has claimed that this content violates local laws in Turkey. As a result, we are required to review the request in accordance with local regulations and Bluesky's policies.

Following a thorough review, we have determined that the content in question violates local laws in Turkey, as outlined in the legal request. In compliance with these legal provisions, we have restricted access to your account for users.

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[–] VampirePenguin@midwest.social 46 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Bluesky is a for-profit company that is capitalizing on the Xodus. They may be better for the time being, but the march for more and more profit will end the same as it always does. Enshittification. They are not the good guys, the fediverse is.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 6 points 56 minutes ago

It was an obvious op from the beginning. You could tell by the people they were trotting out to sell it. Lots of liberal pro-authority types.

[–] Pirata@lemm.ee 20 points 1 hour ago

Don't replace X with Bluesky! Go to Mastodon and other Federalised platforms. That is the only way to escape corporate monopolization.

[–] SrEstegosaurio@mstdn.social 2 points 30 minutes ago

@boramalper What a surprise. /s

Don't bet on shitty protocolos backed by corpos, does not end well.

[–] MuteDog@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago

This seems like a good place to put this meme I made a couple months ago

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

From the wording, it looks like they're just going to georestrict their content to places that are not Turkey.

Far from a problem, unless of course, your primary following is from Turkey; or that's where you live.

I don't blame bluesky here, they operate internationally, and they have to obey the laws of the locations they operate in. Personally I'm wondering what kind of Internet posts are restricted in Turkey? Who has laws to say you can, or cannot say things on the Internet? Besides... I guess, China, and obviously illegal things like CP....

Were they posting CP?

IDK, I've never used bluesky. I barely used xitter, back when it was relevant, if I were to use anything as a replacement it would be Mastodon.

Anyways.

[–] Cliff@lemmy.world 13 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

You might consider reading some news about what is happening in Turkey right now or the last days/weeks/years.

Some Keywords that might help: Erdogan, autocracy, opposition, major of Istanbul, imprisoned journalists, ...

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 hour ago

I just looked up all of those terms on Bluesky and found nothing, so I am going to very reasonably conclude that you're making things up and there's definitely nothing else going on here

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Many countries have restrictions on what you can and cannot post (hate speech being a common one). Turkey in particular has been moving towards autocracy over the last decade or so, so I wouldn't be surprised (to be clear this is speculation feel free to correct me) if it had restrictions on lgbt issues or political dissent or something.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

So back to Mastadon then. I was not using BSKY much anyway to be fair.

[–] oliver@lemmy.neuralwhisper.eu 14 points 3 hours ago

And so it begins...

[–] ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 124 points 5 hours ago (10 children)

Funny as I got downvoted to oblivion for saying Bluesky was not really decentralized.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

I sort of feel like that's not really relevant. How would being decentralised make any difference, the government would just go after the server owners regardless of who they are. If the server owners didn't honour the takedown requests turkey would just ban the server IP and no one would be able to access.

Federation isn't a solution to every problem

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 18 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

How would being decentralised make any difference

You sign up on a server that isn't in Turkey and doesn't give a shit to respond to turkish demands.

Now turkey can only control the servers that are within it's countries, and has to submit requests to ALL of them rather than just one. And even then can't remove you from the rest of the federation.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 39 minutes ago (1 children)

Right but my point is they would just submit the request to the host server. If the original is taken down then all the federated service will lose the comments as well.

If the host server just straight up ignores turkey then they'll block all servers that host Mastodon and say mastered on is a rogue element. Better you just remove the offending comment

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 13 minutes ago

Right but my point is they would just submit the request to the host server. If the original is taken down then all the federated service will lose the comments as well.

Not how federation works. Let's take a lemmy post as an example. If a server is federated with another and a new post is made, all subscribed servers are notified and a copy of the item is sent in that notification. If the original is "taken down" the copies still exist on the other servers and any deletion event is in ALL of their modlogs. ANY instance can "undelete" or revert the removal, or just ignore the deletion request all together (or roll back the database, or any number of operations to revert a change). The items doesn't just go away. The "origin" doesn't have all that much power to force other listening servers to do anything.

This also extends to comments. I run my own small instance with me and a few friends. My server never had serious downtime because it's just us. Our access to larger instances never "vanished" even as their sites went completely down. The local content is effectively cached regardless of the state of the origin server.

If the host server just straight up ignores turkey then they’ll block all servers that host Mastodon

Good luck with that... There's a lot of servers that can talk the same federation protocol. You're not going to get them all. Forget all the normal means of bypassing blocks... you have so many fediverse and threadiverse servers to attach to in order to access largely similar content.

[–] florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 hours ago

This is easily solved with the god damn onion address support which is in lemmys own documents.

[–] brot@feddit.org 28 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

A decentralized service like Mastodon will have the same issues when governments are knocking on the door. The turkish government totally can force all those small turkish instance admins to defederate instances who are not reacting to legal threats. And all those small admins don't have the resources to fight a lengthy legal battle against their own government

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 20 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

That's the entire point, right? Just use an instance that's in a country that's not closely allied with Turkey. Everyone knows that, right? Right?

[–] VampirePenguin@midwest.social 5 points 1 hour ago

Based on the comments, I'm not so sure. Louder for those in the back.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 2 hours ago

Blue Sky isn't in a country that is closely allied with turkey. They could have totally ignored these requests but then Blue Sky would have just been banned in Turkey

[–] tauren@lemm.ee 25 points 3 hours ago

But they can use some other instance. With centralized platforms the issue is that they want to do business everywhere. Russia threatened to arrest Google employees in Moscow, for instance. Even without such threats, they want to have access to local markets. That isn't a concern for some instance in Ireland that is supported by donations.

[–] Sizing2673@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Not the same problem but it would still be an issue

But it would give consumers control and transparency

Right now we have none. They see you, they realize they don't like you and they make the algorithm disappear everything you say

That is a problem. And I agree with others, it needs to be decentralized, that is step 1. The other things cannot even be attempted until then

Corporate driven communication will just not work. They are in bed with the fascist Nazi regime

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 31 points 5 hours ago

The flip side of that is that instances large and small outside of the influence of the government can do as they please and people can use other means, like VPNs, to access them.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 12 points 4 hours ago

Just yesterday I saw a post on lemmy that said that turkish xitter users were migrating to bluesky. Didn't bother opening to see the comments or read it. Seeing this now, all I can think is "well, what did they expect?"

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