When will the liberal party pass the electoral reform they were elected to pass?
this post was submitted on 30 Apr 2025
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They won't
They will with enough pressure. This negative attitude is useless.
And that pressure comes from the citizens who never put pressure on. I live in a fascist government situation in Canada simply because I am disabled. But people like you would tell me to stop complaining that at least I have some support. I have chased my MP to no effect or response at all. I have done the same with my MLA. I have educated my fellow Canadians. I have ranted and raved for decades and protested about how we are treated as second class citizens and you all are not standing up for us. None of you. I'm purple in the face from screaming into the void.
You expect people to stand up for you? You're delusional. My experiences at the bottom of Canadian society tell me otherwise.
Pressure as it "voting for other people" and "nationwide general strike" or pressure as in "Thoughts and prayers" online?
Because the first isn't going to happen, as evident by this election, and the second hasn't achieved anything so far, and will continue to achive nothing because it isn't actually pressure.
That's such a strawman as I have never said to "only vote." There are many things people can do to pressure the government.
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Thats the fun part, they never do. Then we Anarchists get blamed for not voting hard enough
Its a stretch but I'm hoping with a liberal minority there is chance the NDP could advocate for electoral reform as negotiation point. Its a stretch but I feel like its the only way it could happen.
how come no one remembers that WE had a referendum for voting reform and WE voted it down? everyone keeps blaming the liberals when it was the dumb ass population who fucked that up.
"One vote never changed anything," said ten million people.
"me reducing my carbon emissions won't change anything" said ten million people.
80 Percent of Global CO2 Emissions Come From Just 57 Companies, Report Shows
Let's stop blaming individuals for this.
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I'm Indigenous and I have family and friends who live throughout the north.
I couldn't believe the recent Ontario election for the representative for Mushkegowuk-James Bay ... the NDP candidate won it by 9 votes
And I have a ton of people in all those northern communities who all don't vote because none of them believe that it is worth it because they are Native.
Please show them these margins. it's crazy to me how small the number of votes are per riding and really puts everything into perspective
I'm in a riding that is consistently held by the conservatives, and not by a small amount. There are something like 40-50k votes cast in my riding and the difference between lib and conservative was about 6k.
I still go out and vote, because some day the 6k difference might be 12 individual votes....
If the conservatives win by a handful of votes, and I didn't vote, I don't think I could forgive myself.
I heard that there were some communities where voting closed super early. Under circumstances like that, I can sympathise with people who feel that there's no point in voting; there were people who went out to vote but weren't able to, and that must be so demoralising
If somebody tells you voting is pointless, they are voting for somebody you wouldn't vote for.
I don't really think that's the case. If you live in an exceptionally partisan area then there's little impact to voting.
That depends on your voting system.
Right, but this is a Canadian community about the recent Canadian election. The voting system is assumed.
In my riding, if you only had the option of liberal or conservative and a 100% turnout we would still have elected the same blue brick for the 4th time.
Usually this just means I get to vote for whatever party I like the platform enough of/like the leader.
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Casting a vote is as effective at achieving political objectives as using Purell a couple times a week is at eradicating COVID.
Voting isnt pointless, it's just not nearly enough.
Yeah, so the Conservatives won with like 80% in my riding. I voted, but I also wondered why while doing it. Man, I wish we had proportional rep.
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Any time someone claims "my one vote doesn't matter" I reply with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_close_election_results
Yes, there are a lot of elections that are decided by a very small number of votes.
As the saying goes: "The only wasted vote is the one left uncast."
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Canada out there making us feel jealous with their "multiple parties" and "meaningful votes"
I'm worried our multiple parties could disappear after this election :( I understand why it happened but I hope the trend doesn't continue to a two party liberal vs conservative system in Canada
The Bloc isn't going anywhere and the NDP will likely gain seats back next election with a fresh leader, especially if they pick a charismatic one.
Ya I don't think it will. Also remember we started with a two-party system. Political parties come and go.
"don't ever let anyone tell you voting is pointless uwu"
imagine saying this to people who took off work to vote in the Pennsylvania Fetterman vs Dr Oz race
Voting did make a difference. But sometimes brain damage turns people into fascists. Canβt control that. Canβt not vote because it could happen.
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Those anarchists, tankies, fascists and authoritarians who claim this are just trying to sabotage democracy.
Or it's people who feel disenfranchised.
I'm a disabled dude with a family. I live on less than half of what is considered extreme poverty for a single person in my area per year not including my wife's income. I have no extra healthcare, dental or vision care and pay out of pocket even though I worked for ~20 years before my disability and was a part of a union. I am not disabled enough according to my government but too disabled to work according to all medical professionals I have seen, so I get no more than basic CPP. I have chronic pain and neurological damage that affects Ballance and muscle control as well as my ability to walk somewhat and do basic tasks. But I can walk and drive and from the outside look "normal" to most people.
My wife works for the federal government in a public facing seasonal position. It is a contracted position now, that used to be permanent. This avoids unions, healthcare payments, full time employment, benefits and more. Again, she works for our federal government but there is not one politician suggesting that this is no better than what private industry does to people by treating them like wage slaves.
There is no politician in this country that cares about me and my family. I have three choices on my federal ballot. The politicians would all rather I be dead. I can MAID whenever I like but I am not permitted respect or a decent life and neither are my kids. My wife doesn't deserve a full time job or benefits that would really help pull us out of poverty even though she is highly educated in her field and uses it for her work for our government. Even if I could try to work my way out of my hole I lose all support when I hit a very low income threshold ($6900/year) and should I somehow work past that threshold by convincing a public employee to allow me, on a case by case basis, I can be assured to be watched extremely closely as if I were commiting a crime and having to report regularly not just on my taxes on a yearly basis like every other citizen.
I have spoiled every single ballot I have cast for more than a decade in every single election at every single level of politics in Canada and I get derided for it. I voted against fascism this time and held my tongue but you better believe I'm on my MP already. I'm sure my email address will be banned internally and I highly doubt my calls and emails will ever get a response.
People could give a fuck though. They prove it time and time again. Tell me again who I should vote for? And why I should give a fuck about you and your politicians? People have a lot to say but it's all bullshit. They care about themselves.
As of 2022 there are over 320,000 people on CPP disability in the country. It has risen significantly since then. That's certainly not 22 million but we deserve as others do.
Not voting makes it easier for politicians to ignore them.
anarchists, tankies, fascists and authoritarians
Spot the odd one out!
I've definitely seen anarchists describe frustration with electoral politics, especially when people limit their political engagement to simply voting once every so many years. However, I've never seen one advocate against voting.
Anarchists are generally aware that, despite elections not being the thing that will overthrow the bourgeoisie, some parties result in less suffering for oppressed peoples than others.
There's a long history of anarchists who oppose voting
https://libcom.org/article/why-anarchists-dont-vote-elisee-reclus
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/aotearoa-workers-solidarity-movement-why-we-don-t-vote
https://apps.lib.umich.edu/online-exhibits/exhibits/show/debatedemocracy/anarchism---anti-voting
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I mean I voted but I live in Alberta and don't live in Calgary or Edmonton. Tell me my vote mattered.
Here's a link to the results https://globalnews.ca/news/11130642/canada-election-2025-results-leduc-wetaskiwin/
That vote increases funding to the area for progressive outreach and causes. You won't change the entire province with a wole new order but you are part of showing that Alberta isn't a lost cause to the left.
Seriously, this shows left wing lobbiests, charities, politicians, etc. That they can do something in the province. In the end all it may mean is easier access to insulin pumps or less cuts to medical services but that definitly matters.
It's easy to look at the big picture and grow hostile but your vote does matter.
I understand what you're saying, but a 50 point margin is definitely in "lost cause" territory.
I do try to remind myself when seeing results like this that there are still thousands of people who aren't inbred hicks though.
If you voted, it mattered
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Yeah, there were a lot of close ones this time.
35 difference in Terrebonne riding in QC, Liberals won.
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