I think that’s the joke.
They’re marginalized by society, they need to resort to illegal stuff to survive. In the end, that’s a vicious cycle that affects many of us, too.
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100%. The OP is literally how people justify racism IRL.
It's an extra special touch with half of them labeled drug dealer when skooma is part of their religion. It's prohibition targeting a religious and racial minority.
That aspect was lost on me. Nice catch.
Semi related: in the USA, marijuana came with Mexican immigrants, so a lot of the criminalization stems from racism and xenophobia. The same applies to Brazil, since it was typical to find natives and blacks smoking it.
Yooo weed came from Mexico? La FIESTA! 🪇 🌮 🎈 🇲🇽🫔🎁🎉🎵🎺
If I remember moon sugar is part of the religion but people took that and refined it into the narcotic skooma. UESP says the Dunmer were the ones who refined skooma originally and that moonsugar is more potent for non-khajiit. So drug dealers from other lands take something they aren't physically adapted to consume, refine it, sell it, and malign khajiit as drug addicts for using it natively.
Like a teetotaler fainting at the fumes of a beer and calling you an alcoholic.
I don't think raping is required to live..
To be fair he may not actually be a rapist. He calls himself "defiler of daughters", but he's doing so in a theatrically rogueish list of reasons people would want to kill him, so it could just as well be consensual but the parents are furious about it.
However even if that is the case, he actually is also a self-described murderer and thief who implies that he runs a dangerous gang of some sort and regularly has people trying to kill him
He calls himself "defiler of daughters"
If that's all the rape stuff is based on, then it's very much the opposite of a rapist. Just like you said, a rogue. A romantic one at that.
It's an age old trope. Stealing the lord's gold and gems and giving his daughter one while you're at it, consentually, ofc.
Basically, like a reference to the Zorro stereotype.
Or a somewhat loose but direct reference to the Mask of Zorro, which wouldn't have been too old of a movie at that point. The time difference between Oblivion's release and the releases of Mask of Zorro was 8 years.
The Mask of Zorro 4K UHD - Zorro vs Elena Duel | High-Def Digest
So when Oblivion developers would've been working on it a few years earlier, it would have only been 5-6 years old.
Avengers Endgame came out six years ago.
Also Vasha is actually wearing a literal.
That's the only reference, yeah. The character is only present for one scene in one quest, and the only mention of his sexual exploits is that line. I certainly always interpreted him as a womaniser rather than a rapist
It's funny that you mention Zorro — the voice actor that does this character's lines (and also other male khajiit) has done parts to fill in for Antonio Banderas before
Oblivion Khajiit always remind me of Antonio Banderas, and while I didn't explore the world as thoroughly in Oblivion as I did in Morrowind and Skyrim, I may have encountered Vasha when playing.
Also btw "Vash" is a sort of pirate archaeologist from TNG. Unrelated morr and than Zorro, I'm sure, but still.
has done parts to fill in for Antonio Banderas before
Like... a voice-double? Elaborate pls, I'm interested.
He's one of the three captives you can choose to kill at the start of the Dark Brotherhood questline
Elaborate pls,
The voice actor is André Sogliuzzo, who voiced Banderas' Puss in Boots from Shrek in various appearances outside of the main films and also voiced the actual character of Antonio Banderas in an episode of Celebrity Deathmatch
The voice actor is André Sogliuzzo, who voiced Banderas' Puss in Boots from Shrek in various appearances outside of the main films and also voiced the actual character of Antonio Banderas in an episode of Celebrity Deathmatch
Ah, yes, so I got it more or less right, a "voice-double". Thank you for confirming.
He's one of the three captives you can choose to kill at the start of the Dark Brotherhood questline
Yeah but man it's been 20 years, and whilst Morrowind I played pretty religiously and then later Skyrim again, during Oblivion's release and heydey, I was a fuckboi, so I didn't pay as much attention. Also more than a decade of weed on me and just now an ambien.
Maybe it's there, but I'm in not willing to say whether I'm imagining or remembering. The wiki states he's wearing a mask as well though? Reference? Tbf it's an executioner's mask. Do they all wear them though? Also he's the only one who doesn't yell when the others die, perhaps implying a sort of rogues attitude of vigilante justice served?
Idk man. Just writing things on Lemmy while waiting for the ambien to kick in to be able to go to bed. I'm not debating anything, just making conversation.
Oh, I didn't mean to come across as argumentative, I just offered a description in case it jogged a memory. It's entirely possible you never did meet him. Though if it helps at all, he's wearing an execution hood rather than an executioner's hood — as in, he's the one getting executed. You are correct that all three are wearing them and Vasha doesn't give much of a shit about the whole situation, all things considered
You didn't — at all.
I was just clarifying I hope was neither.
execution hood rather than an executioner's hood — as in, he's the one getting executed
Oh yes I read that. I'm just unaware whether I did the quest. Can't recall. Did the other prisoners have holds? Because if not, and he's the only masked guy, and a womaniser, I'd say he might as well be Zorro.
Ahh okay, no worries!
Both of the other two are wearing identical hoods, yes. The other person in the room is Astrid, the Dark Brotherhood assassin telling you to kill one of them. Vasha is definitely by far the Zorro-iest one present though
The dude who made this doesn’t understand institutional racism
Everyone is racist in the Elder Scrolls.
I have roleplayed a different flavour of racist in the last three games, and I am hardly unique in that sense. Every race is defined by their racism or the racism they face.
Or they do and it's dark humor
Or they don't, and clearly have the causality mixed up.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_douchebag
At least we know how it was posted here
Doubt
“This one resorts to crime to survive because racist nords won’t give it a job.”
Racist Nords didn't give sex either I gather
Careful, "Blacks are always criminals" territory. How do you think a Khajiit makes a living where nobody gives them a job?
Isn't that the point the meme is making?
I think the meme is actually blaming khajits for their own reputation
J'Zargo is my homie though.
Did you give J'Zargo the hiccups‽‽‽
The people updooting this probably believe white supremacist myths about "black crime rates"
I mean the top comments aren't exactly arguing against those, rather saying that marginalized people have to resort to them.
ESO got in on the racism with the Thieves Guild expansion, too:
Oh it was racist from the start, that's the whole plot of the nord/ dark elves / argonian faction
Hey! Not all Khajit!
You can't be a fence if you never knew the stuff you're buying was stolen, which was the case in Morrowind, the only person you couldn't sell stolen stuff to was the owner.
My boy Inigo makes up for all that
Wait, there is a rapist in Oblivion? I thought Bethesda is too milk toast for such content.
yeah...do NOT read up on how vampires came about in the elder scrolls...or anything about the daedric princes...or the dwemer...or the slough...or the falmer...especially not the bosmer...
...actually, if you think the lore of the elder scrolls is in any way milquetoast, you clearly haven't read ANY of it anyways.
ES is among the most fucked up fantasy worlds in all of fantasy...like...H.P. Lovecraft/Stephen King levels of fucked up. worse, in some cases.
but there's tons of absurdly funny shit too!
that's part of what makes the ES lore so great; it's got quite literally everything!
It used to be. TES was metal AF before Todd Howard took over. Starting with Redguard it’s been nothing but milquetoast Tolkien fanfic.
There are at least three rapists in Morrowind, although technically it isn't really rape when somebody only wants to gently rape your corpse. So let's keep it at two.
Anyway, it seems they were already toning it down quite a bit in Oblivion if there was only one to be found.
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