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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. Also, happy Pride :3)

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[–] aio@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago

This week the WikiMedia Foundation tried to gather support for adding LLM summaries to the top of every Wikipedia article. The proposal was overwhelmingly rejected by the community, but the WMF hasn't gotten the message, saying that the project has been "paused". It sounds like they plan to push it through regardless.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 17 points 4 days ago

EA Star Wars pitch

image transcriptionZach Weinersmith skeeted: Movie idea:

Effective Altruism Star Wars, in which it's OK to be a Sith as long as the majority of your earnings go through vetted charities.

‪Plod‬ skeeted: And when the Death Star explodes it's due to fraudulant accounting

‪tiedoton‬ skeeted: Building endless swaths of droids that do nothing but continuously experience bliss to offset any suffering caused by the Empire.

Not sure if that would be done by the Empire or the Rebellion

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 4 points 3 days ago
[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 4 points 3 days ago

A student put on some Internet radio station for background music at the end-of-semester barbecue, so I heard a Grammarly ad. In related news, I now long for the sweet embrace of a peat bog.

https://bsky.app/profile/tomdellaringa.bsky.social/post/3lr4djpa4zc2t

https://bsky.app/profile/dennisbhooper.bsky.social/post/3lr4lyaxmkc2b

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 8 points 4 days ago

Off topic: really enjoying Mike Duncan's Revolutions podcast at the moment. Listened to the French Revolution and am now in the midst of the July Revolution.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This FT post about the VC ghouls getting blindsided by daddies Elon and Trump fighting is pretty entertaining

https://www.ft.com/content/df15f13d-310f-47a5-89ed-330a6a379068

https://archive.is/cKxyV

David Friedberg, a co-host of the All-In podcast that often features Musk and that has become a sounding board for the Trump-aligned tech world, suggested there was a broader cost to America from the spat between the US president and the Tesla boss. “China just won,” he posted.

Behind the scenes, prominent Silicon Valley figures were desperately trying to prevent Musk from appearing on an emergency episode of the podcast, according to two people familiar with the matter, out of concern that the billionaire would make the dispute even worse and poison the relationship with tech’s most powerful ally in Washington, vice-president JD Vance.

L. O. L.

[–] rook@awful.systems 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

Little table of “ai fluency” from zapier via linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/wadefoster_how-do-we-measure-ai-fluency-at-zapier-activity-7336442774650556416-nKND

(original source https://old.mermaid.town/@Kymberly/114635617736977394)

The author says it isn’t a requirements checklist, but it does have a column marked “unacceptable”, containing gems like

Calls Al coding assistants too risky

Has never tested Al-generated code

Relies only on Stack Overflow snippets

Angry goose meme: what was the ai code generator trained on, motherfucker?

I'm sure it's a complete coincidence that the people who think it's impossible to program without StackOverflow are the same people trying to shame us for not being LLM enjoyers.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Engineering/Adoptive: Adds eval tests to flag hallucinations

Oh look another one who secretly solved hallucinations.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 15 points 6 days ago

Ah yes show me a senior engineer that writes tests for their intern’s code. So productive. Much ROI

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Fractal sneer!!! I’m spinning out reading this. Every fucking pixel of this is cursed

[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 14 points 6 days ago

Even the color scheme is the HN theme, looks like

[–] dovel@awful.systems 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I wonder where Edsger Dijkstra would fall in this table.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 5 days ago

0,0 position, to the left of the makeupless guy above the engineering bit.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Time for my infrequent missive about the intersection of sneerspace and comedy podcasts. The current episode of one of my favourite comedy podcasts, Doughboys, jumpscared me today when one of the hosts, Mitch, came back from a toilet break and independently came up with the fundamentals of Roko's Basilisk (the torture in cyberspace part). Anyway here it is, or if you want, you can start with the context of the toilet break. What's important to note is that these guys do not try to present themselves as intelligent, and usually present themselves as stupid.

I also appreciate how many of the "transformative" actions are just "did a really good thing... with AI!"

HR reduced time-to-hire by 30%! How? They told Jerry to stop hand-copying each candidate's resume (I sleep). Also we tried out an LLM for... something (Real shit).

Like, these are not examples of how AI adoption can benefit your organization and why being on board is important. They're split between "things you can do to mitigate the flaws in AI" and "things that would be good if your organization could do" and an implication that the two are related.

[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 12 points 6 days ago (4 children)
[–] scruiser@awful.systems 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I've been waiting for this. I wish it had happened sooner, before DOGE could do as much damage it did, but better late than never. Donald Trump isn't going to screw around, and, ironically, DOGE has shown you don't need congressional approval or actual legal authority to screw over people funded by the government, so I am looking forward to Donald screwing over SpaceX or Starlink's government contracts. On the returning end... Elon doesn't have that many ways of properly screwing with Trump, even if he has stockpiled blackmail material I don't think it will be enough to turn MAGA against Trump. Still, I'm somewhat hopeful this will lead to larger infighting between the techbro alt-righters and the Christofascist alt-righters.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago

I've been waiting for this. I wish it had happened sooner, before DOGE could do as much damage it did, but better late than never

as I said elsewhere (and have from early around the doge announcement): he was never going to last because orange was never going to felon lead, and felon was never going to settle. and everyone who brought him in did so knowing that, but that was fine for them because they were using him as a useful idiot, as a politically useful wrecking ball who they could dump all blame on later and wash their hands of

DOGE has shown you don't need congressional approval or actual legal authority to screw over people funded by the government

this tracks with historical fascist power seizures, although ofc updated in the detail of “let felon run wild, then just accept the outcome and use it as a new precedent”. he provided them with a test run of finding just how egregious they could go without pushback (and thus where they need to machinate more)

I am looking forward to Donald screwing over SpaceX or Starlink's government contracts. On the returning end... Elon doesn't have that many ways of properly screwing with Trump, even if he has stockpiled blackmail material I don't think it will be enough to turn MAGA against Trump. Still, I'm somewhat hopeful this will lead to larger infighting between the techbro alt-righters and the Christofascist alt-righters.

overall, same yeah. felon’s long appeared to be comfortable socking for outside influences, so maybe he might go knocking for some more russian/chinese/indian/emirati/whatever war funding, but maaaybe not find some soon enough to prop up his whole house of cards?

(besides, the entire ai craze is begging in the same corners, which maybe is a good thing in this light)

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago

Would be best if he treated Musk like how they treated the four icc judges. Sanction Musk. (I heard this has basically destroyed the ICCs ability to do things btw)

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 11 points 6 days ago

there's no anime avatar, how do we know it's really Elon?

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 5 points 6 days ago (3 children)
[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Trump has 3.5 years left as President, but I will be around for 40+ years …

Elon Musk thinking he's going to make it to 90 and more is even more delusional than the Mars stuff.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

he's going on an all-psyker diet

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I wonder if the US is closing in on the “imprison inconvenient billionaires for tax evasion” stage of managed democracy

[–] rook@awful.systems 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don’t think it’sa stretch to see the independence of spacex classified as a national security risk and have it nationalised (though not called that, because that sounds too socialist) and have associated people such as elon declared traitors. Shouldn’t even be that difficult these days, seeing how he’s trashed his own reputation, and it’ll be good to encourage the other plutocrats to stay in line.

Night of the long knives is in the playbook, after all

[–] cstross@wandering.shop 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

@rook @techtakes The real problem would be persuading Gwynne Shotwell to stay on as COO/President in event of nationalization. (I know nothing about her politics but she's the one who got SpaceX the NASA contracts and ramped Falcon 9 up to being the global launch superpower. If she's a personal friend of Elon a takeover that pushes her out could cause chaos.)

[–] rook@awful.systems 13 points 6 days ago

It isn’t clear that anyone in trump’s government has ever paused to consider than any of their plans might have downsides.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 6 points 6 days ago
[–] ShakingMyHead@awful.systems 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Elon's mother was born in Regina.

If Canada became the 51st State, that makes Elon the son of an American born citizen and thus eligible for the Presidency.

If Alberta and Saskatchewan leave Canada (and join the States), this also occurs.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 8 points 6 days ago

Tired: brain rot

Wired: brain soap

[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 33 points 1 week ago (6 children)

OT: I GOT THE JOB HOLY SHIT

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[–] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

Please let me commiserate my miserable misery, Awful dot Systems. So the other day I was flirting with this person—leftie, queer, sexy terrorist vibes, just my type—and asked if they had any plans for the weekend, and they said like, "will be stuck in the lab trying to finish a report lol". They are an academic in an area related to biomedicine, I don't want to get more specific than that. Wanting to be there for emotional support I invited them to talk about their research if they wanted to. The person said,

"Oh I am paying for MULTIPLE CHATGPT ACCOUNTS that I'm using to handle the", I swear to Gods I'm not making this up, "MATHLAB CODE, but I keep getting basic errors, like wrong variable names stuff like that, so I have to do a lot of editing and…". Desperate emphases mine.

And at this point I was literally speechless. I was having flashbacks of back in 2016 when it was this huge scandal that 1 in 5 papers in genetics had data errors because they used Microsoft Excel and it would ‘smartly’ mangle tokens like SEPT2 into a date-time cell. The field has since evolved, of course (=they threw in the towel and renamed the gene to SEPTIN2, and similarly for other tokens that Excel gets too smart about). I was having ominous visions of what the entirety body of published scientific data is about to become.

I considered how otherwise cool this person was and whether I should start a gentle argument, but all I could say was "haha yeah, mathlab is hard".

I feel like a complete and utter blowhard saying this, but now that I told you the story I have no other choice but to blurt it out: I am no longer flirting with this person.

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[–] nightsky@awful.systems 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Also, happy Pride :3

Yes, happy pride month everyone!

I've decided that this year I'm going to be more open about this and wear a pride bracelet whenever I go in public this month. Including for (remote) work meetings where nobody knows... wonder if anyone will notice.

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[–] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I wrote a memoir thing on my brief, dystopic time at Google . I'm not sure if me reminiscing about the time when I sold out fits the topic of the forum, but I think a lot of it qualifies as sneering and might generally interest this audience.

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[–] rook@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

For those of you who haven’t already seen it, r/accelerate is banning users who think they’ve talked to an AI god.

https://www.404media.co/pro-ai-subreddit-bans-uptick-of-users-who-suffer-from-ai-delusions/

There’s some optimism from the redditors that the LLM folk will patch the problem out (“you must be prompting it wrong”), but assume that they somehow just don’t know about the issue yet.

As soon as the companies realise this, red team it and patch the LLMs it should stop being a problem. But it's clear that they're not aware of the issue enough right now.

There’s some dubious self-published analysis which coined the term “neural howlround” to mean some sort of undesirable recursive behaviour in LLMs that I haven’t read yet (and might not, because it sounds like cultspeak) and may not actually be relevant to the issue.

It wraps up with a surprisingly sensible response from the subreddit staff.

Our policy is to quietly ban those users and not engage with them, because we're not qualified and it never goes well.

AI boosters not claiming expertise in something, or offloading the task to an LLM? Good news, though surprising.

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago

This piece, although in a way defeatist, also gives me hope because there's at least one other person who has the same general feeling about LLMs that I do, and is a better writer.

https://blog.glyph.im/2025/06/i-think-im-done-thinking-about-genai-for-now.html

I'm gonna think that the latest drumbeat of pro-LLM posts (tpacek's screed, this excrescense) is a last gasp of a system running in midair like the Coyote, before the VC money dries up.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Lobsters went down a VC financing rabbit hole the other day (thanks to me and @dgerard) and a user horked up this absolutely bonkers defense of OpenAI losing a galactic sum of money:

https://lobste.rs/s/wjb9ox/minio_removes_web_ui_features_from#c_rgatzz

(reproduced below in case it is removed in shame)


OpenAI is very different. They mainly lose money on ChatGPT, but it’s not really lost money, because they in turn accumulate fresh daha to further train their models. Data that none of their competitors have access to.

OpenAI is also different because AI is a major geopolitical factor at the moment and unless you’ve been living in a cave lately, you must have noticed that geopolitics is much more important than money these days. ChatGPT is an incredible intelligence gathering channel and cutting access to AI APIs would make US sanctions hurt that much more. The only other country that can compete with US companies when it comes to bulk training data access is China, via their social media alternatives like TikTok and RedNote. You can imagine the geopolitical implications of that too.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bashing my own head with a rock might seem harmful to my brain, but it also leaves minerals lodged in my skull. Minerals I can then sell to buy a bigger rock.

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