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"It has been dubbed Britain's 'most woke' roundabout because drivers must give priority to pedestrians, then cyclists, and then other cars and lorries before continuing on themselves. Locals have pointed out the priority for cyclists and pedestrians is unnecessary as only cars and lorries regularly use the Boundary Way route."
“Britain builds a normal roundabout”
exactly, normality is too woke, reality needs to be deranged to their worldviews
This roundabout: "If there's a person walking across the road, don't drive into them."
Drivers: "Blasphemy!!!"
... priority for cyclists and pedestrians is unnecessary as only cars and lorries regularly use the Boundary Way route.
forgive me if I'm being a little too above-roomtemp-IQ for this, but what's the problem then?
The new infrastructure might make the route safer and more pedestrain or cyclists may start using the route, which could delay drivers by entire seconds. A clear and deliberate attack on the drivers freedom of mobility and rights to exclussively have all infrastructure catered to them.
"it might give me a slight inconvenience so it is evil"
I don’t get it. It’s just a regular roundabout with zebra crossings.
Regular roundabouts don't give pedestrian or cyclist crossings priority.
* I'm talking of the UK, that's what the article is about. People seem confused.
In Canada pedestrians always have the right of way
Cyclists are seen as vehicles though
They do not "always" have right of way. You don't have right of way over a train, for example. Or against a signal. Or when a car has limited visibility. Lots of cases.
A person crossing against a signal or jaywalking still has right of way
Trains are usually on train tracks not roads so they don’t fall under the rules of the road
So if that time some Canadians were driving 2 locomotives on the street, if one hit someone at a crosswalk, who would be liable?
They do in my country, and i can only recommend it to the rest of the world tbh.
If bike and pedestrian traffic is infrequent you'll rarely have to give priority, problem solved right?
But then, how will they keep their bumper hunter streak?
/s
Locals have pointed out the priority for cyclists and pedestrians is unnecessary as only cars and lorries regularly use the Boundary Way route.
So, there is so little pedestrian and cyclist travel, that priority is unnecessary? What's the issue having the priority then? Surely, it wont affect you, then?
Ah but that means they will have to think about driving instead of going on autopilot
If drivers have to think about driving, people will inevitably die. I'm not being glib or insulting to motorists.
drivers must give priority to pedestrians, then cyclists, and then other cars and lorries before continuing on themselves.
So, like every crossing everywhere? Because we don't want to harm others in traffic? If that's 'woke' then 'woke' is the only way.
'woke' is the only way.
Yes, but universally, by the very definition of the word.
Here in Malaysia I always thought it was our third world mentality that caused drivers to speed up when approaching a pedestrian crossing, when in reality it was a leftover notion from our times as a former British colony.
A lot of so called 'third world mentality' is just Victorian cultural norms that were imposed by the global techno fascists of the time (the British Empire).
Weren't they just regular fascists? I thought "techno fascists" referred to people like Elon and Zuckerberg?
Yes, youre right in a strict sense but the whole advance tech at any cost including mass casualty (as long as its disproportionately nonwhite people) was a colonial era development leading up to the industrial revolution. The idea of outsourcing labor to lesser humans (on a global scale) also comes from that time. Those are the precursors that have led to the Elons and Zuckerbergs of today.
Can confirm (Source: Played Victoria 3)
Facile and lazy. In reality, the norms and practices in "third world" countries are pretty comparable no matter who, if anyone, colonized them. It's just a question of development. Not everything in the world is the responsibility of big bad white man.
This really shows how shit the DVLA have been at communicating the changes to the highway code that happened in 2022.
You're supposed to give way to pedestrians who want to cross at every roundabout in the UK as it's a it's a junction (you're supposed to at all junctions)
Lads, is it woke to follow The Highway Code?
That is one of the wokest things out there: both some dude's Toyotta Corolla and the Clarence Thomas' Motor Coach have to share the road and follow the same rules. Everyone is the same before the Highway code. Sounds like communism, can't have that.
Hoping not getting crushed by SUVs while drivers are busy scrolling down their phone is so woke. /s
Drivers in Britain should give way to pedestrians at all junctions, including entrances and exits to all roundabouts. It's literally in the highway code.
Admittedly it's only a "should" rather than a "must" for most roundabouts, but still. This is the what driving standards are these days, and it is a good thing. It's all about protecting the more vulnerable. Car drivers are more dangerous to others than pedestrians are, so car drivers have to take more care and should give priority to the more vulnerable pedestrians.
EDIT: But once again I've fallen victim to a classic blunder. The sort of people who would say a roundabout is woke would never care about a well-reasoned argument. And I'm just preaching to the choir in this community anyway!
EDIT: But once again I've fallen victim to a classic blunder. The sort of people who would say a roundabout is woke would never care about a well-reasoned argument. And I'm just preaching to the choir in this community anyway!
I'd question the existence of "the sort of people" in any meaningful quantity. As far as I can tell the only people dubbing it the 'most woke' roundabout are the authors of the article. Not a single person quoted uses the word woke. It's a classic rage bait headline to generate clicks.
https://www.mylondon.news/news/transport/britains-most-woke-2m-roundabout-31744635
This is the law even in (much of) the carbrained United States. Pedestrians always have the right-of-way, even if they aren't in a signed or painted crosswalk.
Goes to North Pole.
Tries to go more North.
Is gimbal locked
It can't be truly woke if the center is filled with concrete instead of flowers or shrubbery
Really common in Dutch cities. Not all of them have zebra lanes but the rules are really quite simple.
So in other words, a roundabout. At least in the Netherlands, it has nothing to do with this weird woke idea
Rage bait.
I agree it should not be so inclusive, so let's leave out the cars and lorries and call it a day.
They trialed these particular roundabouts a few years ago elsewhere after spending literal years building it in the middle of a junction. Nobody likes them, they require even more crossing and attention, as a pedestrian and you feel rushed to move.
My issue with this roundabout is that it's the worst of all worlds. It's unusual, and complex for cars. Given how bad the average driver is, I wouldn't want to be a cyclist or pedestrian dealing with this.
While it has its problems, Milton Keynes does non-car traffic quite well. It has "red ways" that cut under or over the main trunk roads. It's possible to reach most of the city without having to cross a major road.
While retrofitting this is harder, surely they could come up with something better, for that sort of money.
Oh and as for the woke comments. I've found describing it/replacing it with empathy/empathetic works well. It seems to really annoy the gammon crowd, while turning those on the fence away from it, hard.
I might be daft, but how exactly is this complex? Or rather, how is more complex than any other situation where you have to give way? These kind of roundabouts is all you have over here. Never seemed difficult to grasp imho.