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[–] FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 13 points 22 hours ago

...in Singapore...

[–] Teknikal@eviltoast.org 15 points 1 day ago

Not bothered if necessary Il patch every apk before installing it, one more stupid American move that will ultimately give the entire market to the Chinese.

[–] 10001110101@lemm.ee 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Kinda depressing that all of big-tech seems to have given up "innovating" (finding applications for publicly-funded research), and have become rent-seeking dinosaurs.

[–] stormeuh@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Capitalism baby

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Purism makes premium phones..." Haaaaaaaaa 😂

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Correction: purism sells mediocre phones for premium prices.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why is it so hard to "Don't be Evil"

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That would mean less money, at least in the short term, but also in the long term as it grants the user the autonomy of optionality, the power to choose some of Google's edicts. Really it's about the power to shape the choices of the users in the future. Take their power away. And in the future this will be conducive to leverage this power against the user for more money.

I asked the AI about it, in case anyone is curious https://chatgpt.com/share/68454a70-5cd8-8005-8075-3579244f0ce4

[–] viking@infosec.pub 40 points 1 day ago

This article is a thinly veiled ad paired with fearmongering to get gullible users to buy the shit phones they sell (or not, some people have been on "waitlists" for 5+ years after providing a full payment).

Granted, their phones are fully open, but have next to no apps.

Personally I'll stick with Android 12, rooted, and see what the future brings.

[–] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 65 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] p_kanarinac@retrolemmy.com 137 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] elvith@feddit.org 67 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Depends. Are you from the EU or not?

[–] p_kanarinac@retrolemmy.com 91 points 2 days ago

I am, that's why it sounds illegal. :D

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 63 points 2 days ago (2 children)

In parallel, Google has rolled out its Play Integrity API, which allows developers to limit app functionality when sideloaded, effectively pushing users to install apps only through the Google Play Store.

All of this while EU forbids Apple to do the same, what is the idea here? Measuring how EU reacts?

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

Is it the same though? Google is allowing the developers to choose to prevent sideloading. I thought Apple's issue was that they prevented side loading completely.

[–] 0xD@infosec.pub -3 points 22 hours ago

...did you read the ad...? It quite obviously answers your question and calls out the difference. The large, glaring one. The one that probably even a first grader would grasp.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 88 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Purism is sketchy btw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKegmu0V75s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IjUryQOlgk

(Louis Rossman videos explaining how a customer was denied a refund for a "pre-order" and then they tried to coerce Louis to take down the video.)

Edit: typo

[–] hummingbird@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago

As a person who experienced the customer support regrading preorders I can confirm this firm is extremly sketchy.

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[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Degoogled ROMs are gonna be the bomb in the future.

[–] anticurrent@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Maybe you should curb your enthusiasm a bit. have you seen what it take to unlock the bootloader from most manufacturers? you might even need your grandma's birth certificate before you're allowed to do so in the future

Depends on the manufacturer. Ideally, they're forced to allow choice, but until that happens, we can at least prefer phones that don't lock you in.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Certainly depends on where you live.

Unlocking a Samsung phone is trivial here.

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 2 days ago (10 children)

The restrictions on apk access over the past 10 years have already been an annoying pita. Many of the best power user apks have had to gut themselves over their original functionality, all while obtaining root access over your owned devices has become harder or next to impossible.

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[–] Integrate777@discuss.online 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

In Singapore, lots of boomers are downloading scam apps from facebook lured by promises of discounts and free gifts, handing out accessibility privileges, and they'll even argue vehemently against loved ones and bank staff when confronted. When it all inevitably blows up, they blame absolutely everyone except themselves, including praising Apple for some reason.

Being the largest voting block, they managed to get banks responsible for reimbursing their losses and there was even an idea floated of getting everyone to contribute to a shitty scam insurance fund. Many major banking apps are paranoid af and block usage from simple things like usb debugging turned on.

Absolutely stupidity. And there's nothing we can do about it when the politicians love them so much.

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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 64 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yikes this really doesn't look good. Is there any reporting on it from independent journalists (or anyone else who isn't also advertising their own competing operating system)?

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not that I've seen and I'd take what Purism say with a grain of salt: they've acted like pretty shitty gatekeepers themselves. Nothing they mentioned in the article seems too egregious in truth and they're exaggerating the scale of it: Play Store app DRM exists already, and the restrictions on browser-downloaded apps they mention can be bypassed (albeit by having to go into settings) and don't apply to apps installed through other apps stores (F-Droid, etc).

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[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

From what I can tell, all of this shit is on Google versions of Android. If you are on AOSP such as lineage or graphene, from what I understand this has no effect whatsoever.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

But this is not the only aspect of Google's autocratization; Apps who's developers have enabled the Google Play Integrity APIs will not run on custom roms.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm sorry, but in that case, it wasn't worth running the app to begin with. You can either find a third-party app that lets you access the same content, such as Newpipe and YouTube, or you can use it from a web browser, such as your bank, and if you can't do either of those, then just don't fucking use that service.

I was willing to totally switch banks because my previous bank required me to use a mobile app and I did not want to do so. If I must go through some annoyance to use something that works properly, I will.

For me at least, running as much open source as I can possibly do is worth more than the inconvenience caused by not being able to use these shit services.

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

I agree. Not having access on my terms is absolutely a deal breaker for me and could cause me to stop doing business with a company.

[–] cmt@lemmy.today 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I use open source whenever I can, but sometimes that just isn't an option in the real world. I work in IT at a hospital that REQUIRES Duo. I use GrapheneOS. I was able to get it to work, but it was a horrible experience.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

If your work requires you to use specific software, make them purchase you a device to run that software on and leave it at work.

Edit: nvm, i see that was brought up already

[–] clang@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’d be telling them to provide a work phone.

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I was "required" to use duo. Okta worked fine. Might be the same in your situation, might be worth a looksee.

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[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

One of the reasons why I got a Android over ios :(

[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (17 children)

effectively pushing users to install apps only through the Google Play Store

I wonder what this will mean for Aurora and Fdroid etc.

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[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is exactly one app I use that is available only on play store - my bank.

I don't really need the app.

They have a website.

I have a few phones, just got one that now has grapheneOS.

I've been using it for a few weeks to see how it works before I switch over anything to use it as my main. it has a lot of very interesting privacy/security features to test out.

Either way, I don't get anything from the play store anymore.

It's F(L)OSS or a website.

As god intended.

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Are they talking about the changes that were made that allow a dev to prevent their app from launching if it fails a Play integrity check?

If so I don’t see that as a big deal since it is up to the dev to use it. OSS devs that want to distribute their app via apk download won’t enable it, and anyone distributing cracked apks will just disable that along with whatever other changes they are making.

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