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What games? Which Steam Proton and Wine-GE versions do we talk about?
BTW there is also a Proton GE and you can use it in Steam as well. Just saying. Some games do need a specific Steam Proton version, either an older or newer one, such as Proton Experimental. Some games are only working with Proton GE (or Wine GE).
And you can always lookup if the game works, by looking into reports from Protondb website (user generated).
And also with Wine 10.7 staging-tk everything works fine π€
Proton 8.0-5 and Wine-GE 8-26.
Probably not the issue, but is there a reason you're using such an old version of proton? Proton 10 is available in beta and proton 9 has been a smooth experience for most.
Now I've try Proton-GE 9-27 that I installed by ProtonUp-Qt. But it also gave me the same π
Are you recieving any error messages? Do you have logging enabled? (If you add "PROTON_LOG=1 %command%" to your launch options you can enable logging, they're stored in /var/log/ and will be called [steamid].log
Enabling logging can tell you WHY things are breaking.
My personal theory, because it seems to happen a lot, is the libraries that should be linked automatically aren't loading and proton doesn't know where to find them, it happens sometimes!
If that's the case, your log files will point to the missing libraries, install them or find them burried in your system and copy them to your game directory.
But for example I've try to launch a game through Steam Proton 8.0-5 via Steam from Flatpak now. How can I find here required libraries?
https://0.jaegers.net/?ae1611da37b8a25e#EFiVE6PGNBi4guHKZ56UKaWoGVoiZrf2GtsCDphEv95e
OHH you're using flatpak!
Have you configured flatseal to allow steam access to your "/usr/lib/*"?
I didn't notice any libraries failing to pull but you should give steam access there anyway to help get your Linux native games running easier. Allowing steam access outside its own container should fix most issues, but it doesn't look like it will fix this one.
Additionally, I noticed issues with msaa happening, are you using an Nvidia GPU by chance? If so, I recommend Opening the Nvidia x-config app and overriding antialiasing and forcing 4x or 8x fxaa instead of msaa. Msaa is borked on Nvidia, renders basically any game using it unplayable.
Took me weeks to get Cities Skylines 2 working until I stumbled upon that accidentally.
Have you configured flatseal to allow steam access to your β/usr/lib/*β?
Yeap!
flatpak override --user --filesystem=/mnt/Games/Steam/ com.valvesoftware.Steam
Try opening steam via a terminal and opening a game. You should see the problem launching the game in the terminal, might be permissions.
And when I tried to launch another game:
pressure-vessel-wrap[20078]: W: Disabling gtk3-nocsd LD_PRELOAD: it is known to cause crashes.
setlocale "en_US.UTF-8": No such file or directory
pv-locale-gen: Missing locale en_US.UTF-8
pv-locale-gen: Generating locale ru_RU.UTF-8...
pv-locale-gen: Generated locale ru_RU.UTF-8 successfully
pv-locale-gen: Generating locale en_US.UTF-8...
pv-locale-gen: Generated locale en_US.UTF-8 successfully
pv-adverb[20636]: W: Container startup will be faster if missing locales are created at OS level
fsync: up and running.
wine: RLIMIT_NICE is <= 20, unable to use setpriority safely
Fossilize INFO: Autogroup scheduling is not enabled on this kernel. Will rely entirely on nice().
chdir "/mnt/Games/Steam/steamapps/common/Brawlhalla"
ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/user/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
Game Recording - would start recording game 291550, but recording for this game is disabled
Adding process 21304 for gameID 291550
ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/user/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/user/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64): ignored.
ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/user/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/user/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
Adding process 21305 for gameID 291550
Adding process 21306 for gameID 291550
Adding process 21307 for gameID 291550
pressure-vessel-wrap[21306]: W: Disabling gtk3-nocsd LD_PRELOAD: it is known to cause crashes.
setlocale "en_US.UTF-8": No such file or directory
pv-locale-gen: Missing locale en_US.UTF-8
pv-locale-gen: Generating locale ru_RU.UTF-8...
pv-locale-gen: Generated locale ru_RU.UTF-8 successfully
pv-locale-gen: Generating locale en_US.UTF-8...
pv-locale-gen: Generated locale en_US.UTF-8 successfully
pv-adverb[22299]: W: Container startup will be faster if missing locales are created at OS level
Adding process 22344 for gameID 291550
Adding process 22345 for gameID 291550
Adding process 22346 for gameID 291550
fsync: up and running.
wine: RLIMIT_NICE is <= 20, unable to use setpriority safely
Adding process 22347 for gameID 291550
Adding process 22350 for gameID 291550
Adding process 22352 for gameID 291550
Adding process 22355 for gameID 291550
Adding process 22364 for gameID 291550
Adding process 22377 for gameID 291550
Adding process 22383 for gameID 291550
Adding process 22396 for gameID 291550
Setting breakpad minidump AppID = 291550
Steam_SetMinidumpSteamID: Caching Steam ID: 76561198248711762 [API loaded no]
Adding process 22414 for gameID 291550
pid 22348 != 22347, skipping destruction (fork without exec?)
Game Recording - game stopped [gameid=291550]
Removing process 22414 for gameID 291550
Removing process 22396 for gameID 291550
Removing process 22383 for gameID 291550
Removing process 22377 for gameID 291550
Removing process 22364 for gameID 291550
Removing process 22355 for gameID 291550
Removing process 22352 for gameID 291550
Removing process 22350 for gameID 291550
Removing process 22347 for gameID 291550
Removing process 22346 for gameID 291550
Removing process 22345 for gameID 291550
Removing process 22344 for gameID 291550
Removing process 21307 for gameID 291550
Removing process 21306 for gameID 291550
Removing process 21305 for gameID 291550
Removing process 21304 for gameID 291550
π
What I've got when I start the game:
pressure-vessel-wrap[8836]: W: Disabling gtk3-nocsd LD_PRELOAD: it is known to cause crashes.
setlocale "en_US.UTF-8": No such file or directory
pv-locale-gen: Missing locale en_US.UTF-8
pv-locale-gen: Generating locale ru_RU.UTF-8...
pv-locale-gen: Generated locale ru_RU.UTF-8 successfully
pv-locale-gen: Generating locale en_US.UTF-8...
pv-locale-gen: Generated locale en_US.UTF-8 successfully
pv-adverb[9872]: W: Container startup will be faster if missing locales are created at OS level
fsync: up and running.
wine: RLIMIT_NICE is <= 20, unable to use setpriority safely
[2025-06-08 12:20:01] Background update loop checking for update. . .
[2025-06-08 12:20:01] Checking for available updates...
[2025-06-08 12:20:01] Downloading manifest: https://client-update.fastly.steamstatic.com/steam_client_ubuntu12
[2025-06-08 12:20:01] Manifest download: send request
[2025-06-08 12:20:01] Manifest download: waiting for download to finish
[2025-06-08 12:20:02] Manifest download: finished
[2025-06-08 12:20:02] Download skipped: /steam_client_ubuntu12 version 1747701111, installed version 1747701111, existing pending version 0
[2025-06-08 12:20:02] Nothing to do
chdir "/mnt/Games/Steam/steamapps/common/Supreme Commander Forged Alliance"
ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/user/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
Game Recording - would start recording game 9420, but recording for this game is disabled
Adding process 10436 for gameID 9420
ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/user/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/user/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64): ignored.
ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/user/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/user/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
Adding process 10437 for gameID 9420
Adding process 10438 for gameID 9420
Adding process 10439 for gameID 9420
pressure-vessel-wrap[10438]: W: Disabling gtk3-nocsd LD_PRELOAD: it is known to cause crashes.
setlocale "en_US.UTF-8": No such file or directory
pv-locale-gen: Missing locale en_US.UTF-8
pv-locale-gen: Generating locale ru_RU.UTF-8...
pv-locale-gen: Generated locale ru_RU.UTF-8 successfully
pv-locale-gen: Generating locale en_US.UTF-8...
pv-locale-gen: Generated locale en_US.UTF-8 successfully
pv-adverb[10976]: W: Container startup will be faster if missing locales are created at OS level
Adding process 11021 for gameID 9420
Adding process 11464 for gameID 9420
Adding process 11465 for gameID 9420
wineserver: using server-side synchronization.
wine: RLIMIT_NICE is <= 20, unable to use setpriority safely
Adding process 11466 for gameID 9420
Adding process 11469 for gameID 9420
Adding process 11471 for gameID 9420
Adding process 11474 for gameID 9420
Adding process 11483 for gameID 9420
Adding process 11495 for gameID 9420
Adding process 11501 for gameID 9420
Adding process 11514 for gameID 9420
Setting breakpad minidump AppID = 9420
Steam_SetMinidumpSteamID: Caching Steam ID: 76561198248711762 [API loaded no]
Adding process 11532 for gameID 9420
pid 11467 != 11466, skipping destruction (fork without exec?)
Game Recording - game stopped [gameid=9420]
Removing process 11532 for gameID 9420
Removing process 11514 for gameID 9420
Removing process 11501 for gameID 9420
Removing process 11495 for gameID 9420
Removing process 11483 for gameID 9420
Removing process 11474 for gameID 9420
Removing process 11471 for gameID 9420
Removing process 11469 for gameID 9420
Removing process 11466 for gameID 9420
Removing process 11465 for gameID 9420
Removing process 11464 for gameID 9420
Removing process 11021 for gameID 9420
Removing process 10439 for gameID 9420
Removing process 10438 for gameID 9420
Removing process 10437 for gameID 9420
Removing process 10436 for gameID 9420
That specific game does seem to have problems with proton https://www.protondb.com/app/9420 However it doesn't seem to be permissions, so either a problem with the games or the specific version of proton you're using.
The problem is almost certainly your OS.
Devuan does not use systemd, it uses ... sysvinit, or OpenRC, or runnit.
Basically the entire linux ecosystem is built around and on top of systemd... other init based OSs that try to run most linux software... will encounter many absurd and esoteric problems, all of which ultimately stem from the fact that the vast majority of linux software is developed with systemd as the default, assumed, init system.
Basically, any Linux OS that doesn't use systemd should be considered entirely experimental, beyond any software that the OS devs explicitly state they support.
Some non-systemd OS developers will dedicate time to either forking or patching certain, specific, existing software or libraries to be compatible with all the init systems their OS supports, but realistically, given the niche nature of such OSs and their small dev teams, they are always going to be months to years behind the current support level for systemd based OSs.
You could attempt to fix this specific issue you are having, but it would likely require you to essentially become an OS developer.
It would be vastly easier to simply switch from Devuan over to standard Debian, which runs Steam and Proton and such pretty much just fine.
...will encounter many absurd and esoteric problems, all of which ultimately stem from the fact that the vast majority of linux software is developed with systemd as the default, assumed, init system.
Unless the application in question is directly interacting with systemd, then I believe this is overblown.
Applications largely simply expect certain features to be supported. DNS, for example, could be provided by systemd-resolvd or by dnscrypt-proxy.
This isn't being built around systemd, this is being built around the expectation of a feature. This feature can be provided by different applications and still function.
In my experience, providing the features expected is far more important than providing specifically the systemd API.
Basically, any Linux OS that doesn't use systemd should be considered entirely experimental, beyond any software that the OS devsΒ explicitlyΒ state they support.
Hard disagree.
I think the init system is more abstracted away from the developers of a game/typical user app than you are implying.
But if it will works π€. And what can I do to do now? Remains only to have try to install some other OS.
Also I've try this instruction: https://github.com/lutris/docs/blob/master/HowToEsync.md
But this also was be helpless π€·
I would look at the proton log of a game that doesn't work.
Proton will create a log file for a particular game, if you set the launch parameter to:
PROTON_LOG=1 %command%
The log file will be created in your home folder with the name scheme steam-$STEAMID.log. For example:
$HOME/steam-379720.log
And the end of the log:
Modules:
Module Address Debug info Name (23 modules)
PE 00400000-00a8a000 Export megaserval
PE 7b000000-7b2a0000 Deferred kernelbase
PE 7b600000-7b65f000 Deferred kernel32
PE 7bc00000-7bcaa000 Export ntdll
ELF 7d000000-7d005000 Deferred <wine-loader>
ELF 7e9ff000-7eb86000 Export libwine.so.1
ELF f62ea000-f63d7000 Deferred ntdll.so
ELF f78e7000-f78f6000 Deferred libmd.so.0
ELF f78f6000-f790d000 Deferred libbsd.so.0
ELF f790d000-f7914000 Deferred libxdmcp.so.6
ELF f7914000-f7919000 Deferred libxau.so.6
ELF f7919000-f7947000 Deferred libxcb.so.1
ELF f7947000-f7a99000 Deferred libx11.so.6
ELF f7a99000-f7ad5000 Deferred libglx.so.0
ELF f7ad5000-f7b51000 Deferred libgldispatch.so.0
ELF f7b51000-f7c56000 Deferred libm.so.6
ELF f7c58000-f7cc4000 Deferred libgl.so.1
ELF f7cc4000-f7cc9000 Deferred librt.so.1
ELF f7cc9000-f7ef1000 Deferred libc.so.6
ELF f7ef1000-f7ef6000 Deferred libdl.so.2
ELF f7ef6000-f7efb000 Deferred libpthread.so.0
ELF f7f07000-f7f99000 Deferred gameoverlayrenderer.so
ELF f7f9b000-f7fd0000 Deferred ld-linux.so.2
Threads:
process tid prio name (all IDs are in hex)
00000020 steam.exe
00000024 0
00000118 0
00000130 0
00000030 services.exe
00000034 0
00000038 0 wine_rpcrt4_server
00000044 0 wine_rpcrt4_io
00000048 0 wine_threadpool_worker
00000068 0 wine_rpcrt4_io
00000074 0 wine_rpcrt4_io
00000098 0 wine_rpcrt4_io
000000b0 0 wine_rpcrt4_io
000000c4 0
000000e4 0 wine_rpcrt4_io
000000e8 0 wine_threadpool_worker
0000003c winedevice.exe
00000040 0
0000004c 0
00000050 0 wine_sechost_service
00000054 0
00000058 0
0000005c 0
000000bc 0
000000c0 0
00000060 winedevice.exe
00000064 0
0000006c 0
00000070 0 wine_sechost_service
00000078 0
0000007c 0
00000080 0
00000084 0
0000008c 0
00000090 plugplay.exe
00000094 0
0000009c 0
000000a0 0 wine_sechost_service
000000a4 0 wine_rpcrt4_server
000000a8 svchost.exe
000000ac 0
000000b4 0
000000b8 0 wine_sechost_service
000000c8 explorer.exe
000000cc 0
000000d0 0
000000d4 0 wine_rpcrt4_server
000000dc rpcss.exe
000000e0 0
000000ec 0
000000f0 0 wine_sechost_service
000000f4 0 wine_rpcrt4_server
000000f8 0 wine_rpcrt4_server
000000fc 0 wine_rpcrt4_io
00000100 0 wine_threadpool_worker
00000104 tabtip.exe
00000108 0
00000110 0 wine_rpcrt4_server
00000114 0
0000011c 0
00000128 (D) Z:\mnt\Games\Steam\steamapps\common\Mega Serval\megaServal.exe
0000012c 0 <==
00000144 0
0000013c conhost.exe
00000140 0
System information:
Wine build: wine-8.0
Platform: i386 (WOW64)
Version: Windows 10
Host system: Linux
Host version: 6.1.0-35-amd64
1057.067:0030:0148:warn:threadname:NtSetInformationThread Thread renamed to L"wine_threadpool_worker"
1057.067:0030:014c:warn:threadname:NtSetInformationThread Thread renamed to L"wine_threadpool_worker"
1057.068:0030:0150:warn:threadname:NtSetInformationThread Thread renamed to L"wine_threadpool_worker"
pid 15809 != 15808, skipping destruction (fork without exec?)
It doesn't seems that the problem in SystemD π€. Maybe...
Take the whole log and put it a pastebin like pastebin.com. Then reply with the link.
Try different versions of proton. Also try changing the version of steam to the flatpak version, or to the native version if you are already using flatpak.
So... The version from Flatpak (https://flathub.org/apps/com.valvesoftware.Steam) is not official?
But, anyway, I've try to set up Steam from Flatpak... But there's absolutely the same result:
chdir "/mnt/Games/Steam/steamapps/common/Super Blue Boy Planet"
Game Recording - would start recording game 560260, but recording for this game is disabled
Adding process 1300 for gameID 560260
ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/user/.var/app/com.valvesoftware.Steam/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/user/.var/app/com.valvesoftware.Steam/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/user/.var/app/com.valvesoftware.Steam/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64): ignored.
ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/user/.var/app/com.valvesoftware.Steam/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/user/.var/app/com.valvesoftware.Steam/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
WARNING: discarding _NET_WM_PID 2416 as invalid for X11 window - use specialized XCB_X11_TO_PID function!
WARNING: discarding _NET_WM_PID 2419 as invalid for X11 window - use specialized XCB_X11_TO_PID function!
WARNING: discarding _NET_WM_PID 2731 as invalid for X11 window - use specialized XCB_X11_TO_PID function!
WARNING: discarding _NET_WM_PID 3245 as invalid for X11 window - use specialized XCB_X11_TO_PID function!
WARNING: discarding _NET_WM_PID 12018 as invalid for X11 window - use specialized XCB_X11_TO_PID function!
Adding process 1301 for gameID 560260
Adding process 1302 for gameID 560260
Adding process 1390 for gameID 560260
Proton: Upgrading prefix from None to 8.0-103 (/mnt/Games/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/560260/)
Adding process 1391 for gameID 560260
Adding process 1392 for gameID 560260
fsync: up and running.
wine: RLIMIT_NICE is <= 20, unable to use setpriority safely
Adding process 1393 for gameID 560260
Adding process 1396 for gameID 560260
Adding process 1398 for gameID 560260
Adding process 1401 for gameID 560260
Adding process 1410 for gameID 560260
Adding process 1423 for gameID 560260
Adding process 1429 for gameID 560260
Adding process 1442 for gameID 560260
Setting breakpad minidump AppID = 560260
Steam_SetMinidumpSteamID: Caching Steam ID: 76561198248711762 [API loaded no]
Adding process 1461 for gameID 560260
pid 1394 != 1393, skipping destruction (fork without exec?)
Game Recording - game stopped [gameid=560260]
Removing process 1461 for gameID 560260
Removing process 1442 for gameID 560260
Removing process 1429 for gameID 560260
Removing process 1423 for gameID 560260
Removing process 1410 for gameID 560260
Removing process 1401 for gameID 560260
Removing process 1398 for gameID 560260
Removing process 1396 for gameID 560260
Removing process 1393 for gameID 560260
Removing process 1392 for gameID 560260
Removing process 1391 for gameID 560260
Removing process 1390 for gameID 560260
Removing process 1302 for gameID 560260
Removing process 1301 for gameID 560260
Removing process 1300 for gameID 560260
Games still don't works π€·
Try setting PROTON_USE_WINED3D=1 %command% as the game launch options for a few different games and launch them.
lspci -nnk | grep "Kernel driver in use"There's Unverified label...
Here's the begin of the log:
Proton: 1731350438 proton-8.0-5d
SteamGameId: 2009720
Command: ['/mnt/Games/Steam/steamapps/common/Mega Serval/megaServal.exe']
Options: {'forcelgadd'}
depot: 3.0.20250408.124536
pressure-vessel: 0.20250408.0 scout
scripts: 0.20250408.0
sniper: 3.0.20250408.124536 sniper 3.0.20250408.124536
Kernel: Linux 6.1.0-35-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.137-1 (2025-05-07) x86_64
Language: LC_ALL None, LC_MESSAGES None, LC_CTYPE None
Effective WINEDEBUG: +timestamp,+pid,+tid,+seh,+unwind,+threadname,+debugstr,+loaddll,+mscoree
======================
fsync: up and running.
wine: RLIMIT_NICE is <= 20, unable to use setpriority safely
1048.198:0028:002c:trace:seh:install_bpf Installing seccomp filters.
1048.198:0028:002c:trace:seh:check_bpf_jit_enable enabled 0x31.
1048.201:0028:002c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\wineboot.exe" at 0000000140000000: builtin
1048.208:0028:002c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\kernelbase.dll" at 000000007B000000: builtin
1048.209:0028:002c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\kernel32.dll" at 000000007B600000: builtin
1048.223:0028:002c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\msvcrt.dll" at 0000000228280000: builtin
1048.230:0028:002c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\ucrtbase.dll" at 00000002C7470000: builtin
1048.230:0028:002c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\sechost.dll" at 00000001EAF60000: builtin
1048.230:0028:002c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\advapi32.dll" at 00000001D8C90000: builtin
1048.234:0028:002c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\ws2_32.dll" at 0000000370F70000: builtin
1048.426:0030:0034:trace:seh:sigsys_handler SIGSYS, rax 0xffff, rip 0x600000000005.
1048.426:0030:0034:trace:seh:install_bpf Seccomp filters already installed.
1048.427:0030:0034:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\services.exe" at 0000000140000000: builtin
1048.433:0030:0034:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\kernelbase.dll" at 000000007B000000: builtin
1048.433:0030:0034:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\kernel32.dll" at 000000007B600000: builtin
1048.442:0030:0034:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\msvcrt.dll" at 0000000228280000: builtin
1048.448:0030:0034:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\ucrtbase.dll" at 00000002C7470000: builtin
1048.448:0030:0034:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\sechost.dll" at 00000001EAF60000: builtin
1048.448:0030:0034:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\advapi32.dll" at 00000001D8C90000: builtin
1048.451:0030:0034:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\rpcrt4.dll" at 0000000368420000: builtin
1048.458:0030:0034:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\version.dll" at 000000025DC30000: builtin
1048.458:0030:0034:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\setupapi.dll" at 000000036D860000: builtin
1048.461:0030:0034:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\userenv.dll" at 0000000244FC0000: builtin
1048.510:0030:0038:warn:threadname:NtSetInformationThread Thread renamed to L"wine_rpcrt4_server"
1048.654:003c:0040:trace:seh:sigsys_handler SIGSYS, rax 0xffff, rip 0x600000000005.
1048.654:003c:0040:trace:seh:install_bpf Seccomp filters already installed.
1048.655:003c:0040:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\winedevice.exe" at 0000000140000000: builtin
1048.660:003c:0040:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\kernelbase.dll" at 000000007B000000: builtin
1048.660:003c:0040:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\kernel32.dll" at 000000007B600000: builtin
1048.668:003c:0040:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\msvcrt.dll" at 0000000228280000: builtin
1048.674:003c:0040:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\ucrtbase.dll" at 00000002C7470000: builtin
1048.674:003c:0040:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\sechost.dll" at 00000001EAF60000: builtin
1048.674:003c:0040:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\advapi32.dll" at 00000001D8C90000: builtin
1048.676:003c:0040:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\ntoskrnl.exe" at 000000031CA90000: builtin
1048.720:003c:0040:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\rpcrt4.dll" at 0000000368420000: builtin
1048.722:0030:0044:warn:threadname:NtSetInformationThread Thread renamed to L"wine_rpcrt4_io"
1048.723:0030:0048:warn:threadname:NtSetInformationThread Thread renamed to L"wine_threadpool_worker"
1048.726:003c:0050:warn:threadname:NtSetInformationThread Thread renamed to L"wine_sechost_service"
1048.734:003c:004c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\drivers\\mountmgr.sys" at 00000003BE830000: builtin
1048.761:003c:004c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\version.dll" at 000000025DC30000: builtin
1048.762:003c:004c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\setupapi.dll" at 000000036D860000: builtin
1048.947:0060:0064:trace:seh:sigsys_handler SIGSYS, rax 0xffff, rip 0x600000000005.
1048.947:0060:0064:trace:seh:install_bpf Seccomp filters already installed.
1048.948:0060:0064:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\winedevice.exe" at 0000000140000000: builtin
1048.948:003c:0054:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\win32u.dll" at 00000002C73A0000: builtin
1048.950:003c:0054:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\gdi32.dll" at 00000002BB0A0000: builtin
1048.950:003c:0054:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\user32.dll" at 00000002169D0000: builtin
1048.954:0060:0064:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\kernelbase.dll" at 000000007B000000: builtin
1048.954:0060:0064:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\kernel32.dll" at 000000007B600000: builtin
1048.964:0060:0064:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\msvcrt.dll" at 0000000228280000: builtin
1048.970:0060:0064:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\ucrtbase.dll" at 00000002C7470000: builtin
1048.970:0060:0064:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\sechost.dll" at 00000001EAF60000: builtin
1048.970:0060:0064:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\advapi32.dll" at 00000001D8C90000: builtin
1048.973:0060:0064:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\ntoskrnl.exe" at 000000031CA90000: builtin
1049.021:0060:0064:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\rpcrt4.dll" at 0000000368420000: builtin
1049.022:0030:0068:warn:threadname:NtSetInformationThread Thread renamed to L"wine_rpcrt4_io"
1049.025:0060:0070:warn:threadname:NtSetInformationThread Thread renamed to L"wine_sechost_service"
1049.029:0030:0074:warn:threadname:NtSetInformationThread Thread renamed to L"wine_rpcrt4_io"
1049.035:0060:006c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\drivers\\wineusb.sys" at 00000001E58A0000: builtin
1049.047:0060:006c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\version.dll" at 000000025DC30000: builtin
1049.047:0060:006c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\setupapi.dll" at 000000036D860000: builtin
1049.063:0060:006c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\drivers\\hidparse.sys" at 00000002AB600000: builtin
1049.063:0060:006c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\drivers\\winebus.sys" at 0000000219DA0000: builtin
1049.066:0060:006c:fixme:hid:handle_IRP_MN_QUERY_ID Unhandled type 00000005
1049.085:0060:006c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\win32u.dll" at 00000002C73A0000: builtin
1049.085:0060:006c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\gdi32.dll" at 00000002BB0A0000: builtin
1049.085:0060:006c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\user32.dll" at 00000002169D0000: builtin
1049.085:0060:006c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\drivers\\hidclass.sys" at 0000000332E40000: builtin
1049.085:0060:006c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\drivers\\winehid.sys" at 00000002FE9D0000: builtin
1050.025:0060:006c:trace:loaddll:build_module Loaded L"C:\\windows\\system32\\imm32.dll" at 0000000393730000: builtin
1050.027:0060:006c:fixme:hid:handle_IRP_MN_QUERY_ID Unhandled type 00000005
1050.028:0060:006c:trace:seh:dispatch_exception code=6ba flags=0 addr=000000007B00CDB7 ip=7b00cdb7
1050.028:0060:006c:warn:seh:dispatch_exception unknown exception (code=6ba) raised
1050.028:0060:006c:trace:seh:dispatch_exception rax=0000000000b2d800 rbx=0000000000b2dae8 rcx=0000000000b2d800 rdx=0000000000000000
1050.028:0060:006c:trace:seh:dispatch_exception rsi=00000000000000cc rdi=00000000008f3e40 rbp=0000000000b2d8d0 rsp=0000000000b2d7e0
1050.028:0060:006c:trace:seh:dispatch_exception r8=0000000000000000 r9=0000000000000000 r10=00000000008f4160 r11=0000000000000014
1050.028:0060:006c:trace:seh:dispatch_exception r12=0000000000b2dae8 r13=0000000000f3c750 r14=0000000000f3c750 r15=00000000000000b8
1050.028:0060:006c:trace:seh:call_vectored_handlers calling handler at 000000031CAB5D90 code=6ba flags=0
1050.028:0060:006c:trace:seh:call_vectored_handlers handler at 000000031CAB5D90 returned 0
1050.028:0060:006c:trace:unwind:RtlVirtualUnwind type 1 rip 7b00cdb7 rsp b2d7e0
1050.028:0060:006c:trace:unwind:dump_unwind_info **** func cd48-cdbf
1050.028:0060:006c:trace:unwind:dump_unwind_info unwind info at 000000007B0AD730 flags 0 prolog 0xf bytes function 000000007B00CD48-000000007B00CDBF
1050.028:0060:006c:trace:unwind:dump_unwind_info 0xf: subq $0xc8,%rsp
1050.028:0060:006c:trace:unwind:RtlVi
It takes about 30 minutes...
Ok. I've cleaned that machine, but don't install there something yet π€. I'll try...
In my experience, providing the features expected is far more important than providing specifically the systemd API.
Which is why I said:
...will encounter many absurd and esoteric problems, all of which ultimately stem from the fact that the vast majority of linux software is developed with systemd as the default, assumed, init system.
Your OS is software.
It is a gigantic maze for a non linux pro to try to figure out all of these alternate dependencies that are needed, need to be configured, and whether or not they even play nice with each other, whether or not they won't throw you into dependency conflict hell.
Generally speaking, when a normal person, who isn't a linux expert... installs an OS... they expect that it will more or less work out of the box at a fundamental level, that it will come pre-bundled with dependencies and configurations that allow them to use the software they want to use.
Hard disagree.I think the init system is more abstracted away from the developers of a game/typical user app than you are implying.
Ok, two responses to that:
You ever tried gaming on a non systemd OS?
Granted, its been a few years, but I have, and its a fucking nightmare along the lines I described.... tons of insane, esoteric nonsense going wrong all over the place, that requires you to functionally develop a solid workaround schema for everything you are trying to do, that may as well qualify you as a developer of or contributor to the OS.
I don't see anyone, anywhere, recommending a non systemd linux OS for gaming.
Second response: Okey dokey, then I'm sure you'll be able to prove that by solving this person's problem for them within Devuan.
Which is why I said: ... developed with systemd as the default, assumed, init system.
Next quote I'll explain more.
...they expect that it will more or less work out of the box at a fundamental level...
Which more has to do with just being setup incorrectly, than missing systemd.
You ever tried gaming on a non systemd OS?
I do. It works.
...I'm sure you'll be able to prove that by solving this person's problem for them within Devuan.
Solving a random non-systemd user's issue is irrelevant, even if we knew a lot more about their setup.
It's sad π
I truly wish there was some simple misconfiguration that you could change, or some reasonable hotfix that could easily be trouble shot by randos on lemmy...
But in all likelihood... yeah, you'd have to basically develop Devuan to support Proton, or develop Proton to support Devuan, or potentially both.
If you wanna do gaming on linux, right now I'd suggest Bazzite as probably the most user friendly, hard to break, runs games and most other software well alternative.
You could also just switch back to plain Debian, its not quitr as user friendly or gamer optimized, but it absolutely will work.
On the other hand, if you wanna jump into a different Debian based system... PikaOS is still somewhat experimental, but it is basically a stripped down and gamer-optimized version of Debian, its based on systemd so you won't have these kinds of problems... and from recent benchmark tests I've seen, it actually outperforms Bazzite, Nobara, CentOS, many other common distros typically suggested for linux gaming... meaning, more FPS for the same game at the same settings on the same hardware.
I'll try PikaOS then...
If you are new to linux, and you want something that basically 'just works', I'd suggest you try Bazzite first.
It is much easier for a person with little linux experience to use.
Linux is kind of infamous for allowing the user to have the ability to customize and alter basically every aspect of the OS.
This is great for very experienced linux users, but it can often lead newer linux users to accidentally ... basically destroying their OS.
Bazzite has good functionality, comes with pre configured tweaks to make gaming performance better, comes with apps gamers commonly use, much much easier... and, the way it is designed, it basically has a bunch of built in safety mechanisms to make it much more difficult to break the OS.
I have never actually used PikaOS... if you are considerably experienced with Debian based distros, I'd guess you could probably handle it...
But if you are brand new to linux, and mostly just want something that works for games, and other fairly common desktop apps?
I'd go with Bazzite.
If you do decide to switch OSs, please remember to make a backup copy of all your personal files on a seperate harddrive before you make the switch.
On the other hand... you could wait it out and see if other people in this thread can actually troubleshoot and solve your problem.
Personally, I am doubtful they will be able to, but I do not know everything, and I could be wrong, perhaps there is some fairly straightforward fix.
comes with apps gamers commonly use
What are these apps? Because I don't use Discord or other "not-privacy"-friendly apps. I use only Steam of these π . Because from Steam I only plays in FA with my friend. For communication - I use Mumble for example.
it basically has a bunch of built in safety mechanisms to make it much more difficult to break the OS
Is this actually Linux? π€
please remember to make a backup copy of all your personal files on a seperate harddrive before you make the switch
It's too late π
Personally, I am doubtful they will be able to, but I do not know everything, and I could be wrong, perhaps there is some fairly straightforward fix.
I also already doubt this π. And I've already cleaned that machine.
What are these apps?
Well, you have things like EmuDeck, for emulating console games,
Lutris, for an alternative, non Steam way to run games via WINE or Proton,
Protontricks to help manage and configure WINE and Proton...
A whole bunch of other stuff that may or may not interest you.
Is this actually Linux?
Yes, it is, it is built off of the Fedora Atomic model.
So... the simple explanation is that the core operating system is read-only, unalterable, in most situations.
The core libraries of the OS are managed by the developers, who make the 'recipe' of all the core stuff, and update it and occasionally add to it... the user can override this and add in new core libraries, but it is highly advised against, and the terminal will yell at you that you are probably doing something stupid when you try.
That being said, if you do mess up the core libraries... you can use
rpm-ostree rollback
And that will revert you to the last, stable, bootable configuration, which it automatically keeps backups of, locally.
Then, almost all applications and software are run through flatpak, which keeps them self-contained, so if they break, it is only them that break, not your whole system.
If you want to do something that requires more control over a linux in a tradtional linux sense... Bazzite comes with DistroBox, which basically allows you to have multiple linux oss download their own libraries in their own box, and then you can do more advanced tinkering in there.
(technically it is quite complicated, as i understsnd it, distrobox is basically ... customized, fancy docker images, if you are familiar with docker)
It's too late π
sigh
I tried.
I tried to warn you!
I also already doubt this π. And I've already cleaned that machine.
Welp.
No turning back.
It looks like you are prepared to go all the way.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-00uQzXyujI&t=152s
lol
I.. I hope you do already know how to... flash an iso to a usb drive, and that you have not just wiped out your only means of downloading said iso.
Good luck!
I... think SystemD has been around for quite a while, I am not sure who developed it originally.
20+ years ago, Fedora emerged out of Red Hat EnterpriseLinux, basically as the not business oriented, general use version of Red Hat.
The details are complicated, but by now, Fedora has advanced so much that RHEL is actually based off of Fedora; they use the more mature parts of Fedora that have proved to be very stable.
Bazzite is based off of Fedora, specifally the system Fedora uses for Atomic versions of Fedora. Like I tried to describe earlier, the Atomic variants of Fedora take a different approach and try to section off the core OS, keep it safer and more stable, and provide different kinds of containers or boxes for the user to run apps in, or experiment around in.
Bazzite is not officially a Fedora Atomic distro, made by the Fedora project... but their whole Atomic system is open source, so the Bazzite team uses it as a basis for their even more gaming focused OS.
Sort of similar to how PikaOS or Devuan or Ubuntu or PopOS! are based off of Debian... or the modern SteamOS that steam deck's natively run on is based off of Arch.
Ok. I'll know π€
I tried to warn you!
Yeap! It's so)
I⦠I hope you do already know how to⦠flash an iso to a usb drive, and that you have not just wiped out your only means of downloading said iso.
Yeap! I almost an advanced user π. I reinstall an OS on my PC about 9.999.999.999 times... (maybe a little bit less)
But I want to try firstly that here's someone can hint me π
Yes, it is, it is built off of the Fedora Atomic model.
So⦠the simple explanation is that the core operating system is read-only, unalterable, in most situations.
The core libraries of the OS are managed by the developers, who make the βrecipeβ of all the core stuff, and update it and occasionally add to itβ¦ the user can override this and add in new core libraries, but it is highly advised against, and the terminal will yell at you that you are probably doing something stupid when you try.
That being said, if you do mess up the core libraries⦠you can use
rpm-ostree rollback
And that will revert you to the last, stable, bootable configuration, which it automatically keeps backups of, locally.
Then, almost all applications and software are run through flatpak, which keeps them self-contained, so if they break, it is only them that break, not your whole system.
If you want to do something that requires more control over a linux in a tradtional linux sense⦠Bazzite comes with DistroBox, which basically allows you to have multiple linux oss download their own libraries in their own box, and then you can do more advanced tinkering in there.
(technically it is quite complicated, as i understsnd it, distrobox is basically β¦ customized, fancy docker images, if you are familiar with docker)
It seems that it is the most user-friendly distribution. But there's so many proprietary softs as I guess π€
Advice: I don't recommend using wine-ge because it has not been maintained in a while and it's archived on github