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[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 6 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

If only the founding fathers had given us the tools to deal with government overreach. Sadly the founders were just weak men that would threaten to sue over anything the British Empire did and took no action. They taught us nothing. If we could think for a SECOND Im sure we could thing up an AMMENDMENT to the Constitution that would enable a state to repel federal forces from the state. Considering those federal forces are actually state forces (National Guard), and have already been declared illegal by the court ... perhaps a well regulated militia of armed volunteers could be called in to help. Sadly, our Constitution just doesn't allow this.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Liberals have been disarming themselves in California for years, not sure what you're thinking

[–] lostoncalantha@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

And republikkkans have been spiting bullshit like “Don’t tread on me and “we the people” but now getting horny for fascism.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Are you planning to go first?

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 82 points 1 day ago (12 children)

How come Newsom can’t order the California guard to protect the protestors from ICE?

Isn’t he their commander?

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 21 hours ago

The whole reason for this suit is that trump is taking control of our own national guard through some obscure law so Newsom no longer can control it.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 73 points 1 day ago (8 children)

The Guard was federalized which takes them out of Newsom's control and puts them in Dipshit's control.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Which is scary as fuck to think a president will do that for the sole purpose of antagonizing the citizens of the state.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The dumbass takes pleasure in seeing people fighting and dying for what he perceives as his sake.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also the entire project 2025 thing where this isn’t just a personal vendetta but a testing ground for how much fascism people will tolerate and when he can declare martial law if people clash with armed forces

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 21 hours ago

Yeah, exactly this was actually mentioned on page 555 of the project.

[–] Guidy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel bad for the Marines that went there. Imagine being responsible for dishonoring the entire USMC. I don’t think I’ll ever respect them again.

(No, not even if one beats me up or murders me, just to get out in front of any such sentiment.)

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Marines have a reputation of being Crayon eating baby killers. This didn't dishonor them.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Wait, Trump called in California's national guard or Trump federalized California's state guard? Because I was under the impression he couldn't do the latter

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The National Guard IS the state guard. That's it's official title. Perhaps you're confusing them for the Reserves, which is a federal militia that's only activated as needed.

But the president can activate the National Guard as a federal entity under his control.

When they say Trump is calling in the National Guard, he's not deploying troops to the state; they're already there. He's just activating them and "deploying" them wherever he needs them in the state.

The big problem here is that activating means putting them on active duty (same status as federal military troops) and giving them active duty pay and benefits. But Trump and Pete Hegseth are not currently paying them (claiming the pay will come later) and trying to limit their deployed status so they don't need to pay them full deployment benefits.

It's like a business ensuring you only work 39 hours a week so they don't have to give you medical benefits or full-time employment status. If they don't fix it soon, the National Guard may just join the protestors.

Which may be why Trump is sending in the US Marines too; to keep the National Guard in line. Or he's throwing a bunch of conflicting groups together to start a civil war so he can jump-start his dictatorship. This is how it always starts; declare martial law, deploy troops to every major city to seize control, then start making changes to laws and citizen's rights across the books, with no one able to stop him through courts or uprisings.

Source: I'm a retired US Air Force veteran. Spent 20 years in active duty service, the last few years under Trump's first term. It was an absolute nightmare and we hoped he was gone for good. But here we are again, and he doesn't have a majority Democrat govt to keep him on a leash this time, so we're in for a rough ride.

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[–] Bonus@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The President's unlawful order infringes on Governor Newsom's role as Commander-in-Chief of the California National Guard and violates the state's sovereign right to control and have available its National Guard in the absence of a lawful invocation of federal power.
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/06/12/high-ranking-u-s-military-officials-agree-trumps-takeover-of-los-angeles-is-illegal/

The California National Guard (Cal Guard) is part of the National Guard of the United States, a dual federal–state military reserve force in the state of California.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_National_Guard

The California State Guard (CSG) is a reserve military force that supports the California National Guard (CNG) and the California Military Department (CMD) by enhancing their readiness for both state and federal responsibilities.
https://calguard.ca.gov/csg/

(Interesting, I didn't see any markup tools till I edited it (still seems to be italicizing quotes instead of showing as quotes). New to piefed (part of the new to lemm.ee diaspora), not usually directly on piefed via browser but using Pferd and Interstellar on phone.)

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Only a few states have state guards, which are like national guard groups that have no connection to the federal government. Most of these are on the east coast in democratic areas because republicans look at them and go: "Why do we have a state guard and a national guard? They do they same thing. If we cut the state guard, we can pass a tax cut!"

However, state guards are perfectly legal. In fact, that is what the 2nd amendment means when it says 'well regulated militia'. Sadly, I don't think California has one.

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 21 hours ago

I wasn't aware of state guard, but after looking out up looks like California does have it, although it is about 900 troops so I guess that's why it's is almost as if it wasn't there.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Newsom is fash. He couldn't give less of a shit about protestors. Fash support fash.

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 21 hours ago

The lawsuit is that trump took away Newsome's control of the national guard. This is why he can't "just order" them.

[–] koper@feddit.nl 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He doesn't want to protect protestors. You're forgetting that he and the mayor are in full control of the police officers that are currently beating protestors to pulp. They are totally on board with what is happening, they just want to be the one in control.

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 21 hours ago

What LAPD is doing needs to be investigated and they need being punished for it, but as of now Newsom doesn't have control over national guard, trump used an obscure law with very weak justification to get control of it.

This is what this lawsuit is about. To get the control back.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The media is saying he's a top contender to be DNC candidate for prez. I'm not seeing it.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

They'll make him the candidate whether you see it or not. The primary process is not democratic.

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[–] lettruthout@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I’ve been wondering the same thing. Order them to leave (at least) and make the National Guard choose who to follow.

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[–] DoubleDongle@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Eh, if his losses in court weren't relevant, he wouldn't bother screeching about them. Not that hard at least. He does seem to like screeching for its own sake.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

He is the biggest narcissist on the planet, he would probably whine if his scrambled eggs were the wrong consistency.

[–] loutr@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“I do whine because I want to win and I’m not happy about not winning and I am a whiner and I keep whining and whining until I win", Trump told CNN’s Chris Cuomo on Tuesday.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago

Sorry. I live in a crazy world. Did he actually say this? He doesn't seem self aware enough to think like this.

[–] Jolly_Platypus@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is going to end up in blood shed. This shit is dark.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Good grief... World war 3 could have just started.

[–] Bonus@piefed.social 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's not to convict him. It's to make it cease, obviously.

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[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There's like 350 million people in this country. Thousands of people kill themselves everyday. Couldn't a single one of them take someone like Trump with then? No Luigi copycats, really weird.

[–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

considering that less than 2000 people kill themselves every day globally, i doubt that america has "thousands of people killing themselves everyday"

but i agree with you, might aswell like wtf

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When is trump ever alone in public at night where someone can just walk up to him and put a few rounds in the orange fuck?

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