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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 33 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

the issue was already personal, pitting service against citizenship

For the record, no, it's pitting unconstitutional orders against sworn duty.

I don't want the military to decide any outcomes, but I do think just about time they let everyone involved know that the military's only loyalty is to the people and the constitution. Yes, they take orders from the president, but we have checks and balances for a reason, and I'd feel better if the military just stated plainly their primary goal is to keep it that way.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

While that would be nice, this would potentially make Trump try to purge "non-loyal" officers even harder.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This is why such a revolution doesn't start from the masses, but from someone higher up who gives the command and then people follow them.

If a lowly soldier disobeys, he's removed. And grass-roots doesn't work for that kind of stuff.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Trump has been getting rid of higher ups, they aren't protected.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

That makes everything pretty difficult.

What generally triggers military coups is that one of these higher-ups rebels when or after they are removed.

But yeah, there's a time window for that and it's closing rapidly.

There won't be a rebellion by the people. There hardly can be one, without a rebellion by the military.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, which is why in the other comment chain we were talking about the right moment. Tip your hand too soon and you're just getting purged.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

True, but it only works if there will actually be a rebellion started by some higher-up.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 hours ago

Then there's no point to any of these hypotheticals, is there??

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Anything to make Trump's dismantlement of democracy even just a tiny bit harder is a good thing.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

My fear is that it would make it easier, by singling out who needs to be purged.

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

If they stay compliment with Trump, they won't need to be purged anyways as they are complient at that point.

If they pick the right moment to resist, they can at least tie up lawyers and/or millitarty personnel up with court marshalls, spending money, resources, and manpower to keep them in military prison, ect.

And besides that, its literally in their oath to disobey unlawful orders, so if something is blatently unconstitutional and immoral I would expect every good soldier to follow their oath rather than their orders.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I don't disagree with any of this, but it's kind of precisely why coming out and saying what teawrecks wants them to say before that right moment is foolhardy at best imo.

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

In other words, your saying that they should keep a low profile until the moment they need to disobey? Makes sense.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 12 hours ago

Yeah, exactly this.

[–] kylie_kraft@lemmy.world 41 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

But on that morning in March, Guardado got a strange phone call at work. Some sort of public safety officer had dialed her office and wanted her to come outside to talk. In the parking lot, three men in plain clothes identified themselves as Department of Public Safety officers, Correa told The War Horse. As Shirly approached, they said her car had been involved in an accident. But when she got close, they grabbed her and handcuffed her, telling her they were ICE agents.

The fuck.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 hours ago

Literal fucking criminals committing legally sanctioned kidnappings in broad daylight.

Fuck this country.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 24 points 21 hours ago

Anyone still think this is OK?

You know who you are, and if you think this is OK, then fuck you

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 59 points 1 day ago

But on that morning in March, Guardado got a strange phone call at work. Some sort of public safety officer had dialed her office and wanted her to come outside to talk. In the parking lot, three men in plain clothes identified themselves as Department of Public Safety officers, Correa told The War Horse. As Shirly approached, they said her car had been involved in an accident. But when she got close, they grabbed her and handcuffed her, telling her they were ICE agents.

Can't trust anyone.

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 181 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Remember this, service men and women, when you are given your orders to oppress us.

You are also one of the oppressed.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago

Just a little lower on the list.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 98 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Army Sgt. Ayssac Correa had just started his day at the 103rd Quartermaster Company outside of Houston on the morning of March 13 when he got a phone call from his sister-in-law.

She worked at the same company as Correa’s wife and had just pulled into the parking lot to see three ICE agents handcuffing her.

“They’re taking Shirly away!” she told him.

Imagine getting that call. We've definitely become evil.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 9 points 12 hours ago

It's not we that have become evil. I think it's imperative that people properly consider who is doing the evil shit.

Many years ago I was visiting some country in Central America, and they were not angry that I was American even though the American government had done horrible things to their country, because they knew that I had no control over what those crazy motherfuckers did.

And that doesn't mean that everyone is powerless, that we shouldn't try to make a difference. That's a different conversation.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 78 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My wife is Mexican-American. She was born here, and I fear that call. ICE is rounding up everyone that they “suspect” is undocumented. I’m afraid that she’ll get picked up and lost in the system before I can bring proof of citizenship.

What ICE is doing is evil. I can’t believe this is my country after only a few months, and I fear what will happen in a few years.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 day ago

the proof doesn't matter when they're not bothering to check; ask kilmar obrego garcia.

i had family members that were born and raised in this country and deported during the last bought of xenophobia that this country went through during ww2; the most recent one ended up living out the rest of his life and dying in mexico.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 98 points 1 day ago

Fascist dictators don't have loyalty, soldier. That's a key element to them.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 93 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“Me being in the military—I felt bad that it was happening, because I’m also married to somebody who’s going through the [immigration] process. But I was like, ‘Oh, there’s no way this is going to happen to us,’” he said.

That misconception is common, immigration attorneys and advocates told The War Horse. But in reality, there is no guaranteed path to citizenship for undocumented military family members—and no guaranteed protections against deportation.

[–] supernight52@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago

And that's how you know exactly who that idiot voted for. Now he's getting the day he asked for, and it's no longer fun.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“Surely my king won’t deport my wife”

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He is, and don't call him Shirley.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 39 points 1 day ago

No one can call Shirly, she's getting deported.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago

Nobody is safe.

[–] Nusm@piefed.zip 57 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Where are you seeing he was a trumper?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

But I was like, ‘Oh, there’s no way this is going to happen to us,’” he said.

It's not definitive, but it's a big fucking clue.

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 day ago

Odds are pretty good giving that he's in the military. The Latino people I know who were ex military are Trump 100%.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

A single quote saying he felt bad about the ICE deportations, I think. I didn't see anything in there that was direct.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 35 points 1 day ago

Daughter: Daddy, why do you work for the people who kidnapped Mommy? Correa: I don’t, sweetheart. I’m in the Army. The Army doesn’t deport people. ICE does. Daughter: They both take orders from the president, though, right? Correa: well, yeah. Daughter: So, why do you work for the man who ordered ICE to kidnap Mommy? Correa: …

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago
[–] SieYaku@chachara.club 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And they have a baby only 10 months old!! My baby is a little bit older but still, can't imagine if something like that just came and split us, it would be very traumatic for everyone.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

And if Trump has his way, that baby will someday get deported too. The dad should be glad the baby wasn't with mom when they kidnapped her. They might have taken the baby too.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

what does the military say to recruits that so thoroughly dupes them into thinking the government gives half a rat's ass about them?

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The main thing is ~13y of indoctrination in our schools starting with pledge every day and the whitewashing of our history.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

"you aint seen nuthin yet"

-GOP

[–] vegeta@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Nobody is safe from the ~~Commander~~Leopard in Chief

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

That should be the leopards ate my face mascot